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.44 Mag Fishing — Elmer Style! By Jeff “Tank” Hoover

Cover of Gene Brown’s fine book!

Elmer Keith’s shooting exploits were legendary. While most students of Keith are true believers of his sixgun prowess, some consider him to be full of bull $hit. How could a man be so beloved, be the impetus of the Pre-64 Winchester Model 70 rifle, the .338 Winchester Magnum, as well as the .44 and .41 Magnum cartridges, to name a few, and still be considered full of horse hooey by some?

Elmer and Mike Garner, Gene Brown’s buddy.

Then there’s the debatable 600-yard mule deer shot — with a 6.5-inch .44 Mag, killing five jackrabbits with one shot at 100 yards, while on a full run, and finally, shooting flying fish, while in mid arc near Catalina Island, with his 4-inch .44 Magnum! I’ve discussed the two previous incidents in earlier articles; here, I’ll discuss the flying fish incident. I don’t see what the big deal is. If Elmer says he did it, it happened!

Elmer and Tommy Bish at the Great Western Gun Show!

This story starts with two young Elmer Keith fans who met Keith at the Kalispell Outlaw Inn, where the Montana Weapons Collectors held their annual late winter gun show. A discussion about the show continued back in Keith’s room. Firing up a cigar and tipping back his famous Stetson, the topic shifted to gun shows in general. Which shows were the best and which ones weren’t worth your time?

The Great Western Gun Show came up, and his young fans enthusiastically described the show in detail. Keith asked his new young friends, “If you’re going down to the show this year, I’d like to tag along.” The starstruck fans were gobsmacked between the eyes! They couldn’t believe their good fortune — a road trip with Elmer Keith — all the way from Salmon, Idaho, where Elmer lived, to Los Angeles, California!

Wax figure of Elmer at his “office” at the Elmer Keith museum in Boise, Id., at the Cabela’s.
Photo by Jeff “Tank” Hoover.

The Show

Anyone’s who’s ever attended this huge and colorful three-day event will testify this is not your standard, generic “guns on the table” kind of show. This is the kind of show that can only happen in Southern California. In addition to the several thousand guns and accompanying items, the entertainment value is both shocking and interesting.

It’s a mix of a large motion-picture set where the movie is a cowboy-and-Indian war, and a military and western museum, with living figures.

Coming at you and around you from all sides are men and women in full regalia, ranging from uniforms simulating the American Revolution, Civil War, with both North and South sides represented, Spanish American War, with soldiers sporting 30/40 Krag rifles, World War I Doughboys carrying Lee Enfield’s and Webleys and the many other different persuasions of World War II in an authentic array.

Some of Elmer’s trophies at the office reproduction at Cabela’s.

Picking Elmer Up

One of the young fans describes what it was like to visit Keith’s home in Salmon, Idaho, to pick him up. “It began with a touching front porch scene at the home of Elmer and his wife.

There, our traveling companion was saying goodbye to Lorraine. Romance writers would have deemed it a tender and touching scene. There stood the grizzled, hard, seen it all old cowboy in sharp, formal western attire. In front of him was a loving wife who repeatedly adjusted the suit lapels. This between a lot of not unwarm kissing, hugging and gazing into each other’s eyes.”

“Gently, she advised him to be careful. Take care of yourself. It looked as if we were dealing with a pair of love-struck teenagers and not an old married couple that been teamed up for some 56 years.”

“These two lovebirds, as we drove away, waved until they could no longer see each other. Mike was smiling broadly as we went east down the hill into Salmon. From there, the road would take us onto Highway 93, which headed through Southern Idaho.”

Not long into the drive south in his 1975 Cadillac Coupe de Ville, the subject of long-range and trick shooting came up. The fan recalls Elmer’s words, “We were fishing off the coast of California over around Catalina Island sometime in the late 1950s,” he recalled as if it was a week ago.

“There was a boatload of us, and some of the boys ribbed me about just what a man could do with a .44 Magnum pistol if he put his mind to it. I had gotten off a few rounds at sharks, which didn’t make much of an impression on this lot.”

“One of them remarked that I probably figured I could knock down a flying fish on the wing if I felt like it.”

“Well,” I said back, “I could probably do that.”

“Whaat?! Excuse me. Drop a flying fish with a pistol?”

More trophies.

Doubt & Disappointment

The young fan stated, “From somewhere deep down in my innermost reaches, a pause button came on. I glanced in the rearview mirror where friend Mike had the same, “What is this (expletive deleted) nonsense,” doubting expression that I did. “Well, maybe a little too much Wild Turkey for our old buddy today? Elmer looked straight ahead, out over the desert landscape passing by, missing our suspicious countenances and the terrible ensuing let down we both felt.”

“He continued with this absurdity that might have fooled the newly disembarked pickle boat crowd.

“Well,” he slowly drawled, “I unleashed the Smith and Wesson, leaned back against something, I don’t exactly remember what, put the pistol between my knees and took a few shots out over the water to sort of get the range and feel of it.

“He seemed to be lost in thought for a few seconds and then continued, “The first one I dropped was out about 50 yards. Got him right in the arc. The next two were right around 60 yards. I could have gotten more, but figured the point had been made.

It was difficult shooting, but I did do it.” “Also,” he added, “I don’t like to take fish or game unless I use it for food.” A heavy silence enveloped the car’s interior portion. A silence so heavy and dead, I reckoned we could be had on a murder one rap. Things got awfully quiet for a while. Could it be that the skeptics were right? The rest of us believers had been hustled?”

“Again, glancing into the rearview mirror, I saw Mike slowly shaking his head in a frown of disbelief. A touch of doubt on our part tainted stories that ensued during the rest of the journey. Well, how else would you feel after hearing some comic book yarn like that? A great, knowledgeable old guy maybe, but it was time to just chalk up his shooting stories as clever works of fiction.

“Admittedly, there still were some intriguing accounts, especially the one about his British Columbia experience that got him placed on a 1928 cover of the American Rifleman magazine (more about that later), the African lion hunts and loads of talk on ultimate rifles, shotguns and handguns.”

Elmer’s Outstanding American Handgunner Trophy and bronze sculpture of him in the museum.

The Show

The fan goes on to describe how they were treated like royalty as they were escorted through the fairgrounds to the main building by a pair of L.A. County Sheriffs, a security guard and a California Highway Patrolman, once they realized who their VIP passenger was. As they walked through the large east entrance door (after being assigned a special parking spot by security) people recognized Elmer by his big cowboy hat, waving and yelling his name.

Elmer was as human as the rest of us. He loved this kind of attention from fellow gun buffs. The waves and smiles from admirers were heartily returned.

Credible Conclusion

While they were being escorted to the Petersen table, somebody far off in the milling crowd could be heard yelling rather loudly, “Elmer!” “Hey, Elmer.” “Elmer, over here.”

Turning, they saw a man in a western hat and cowboy clothes coming hurriedly in their direction. Right off, they recognized Tommy Bish, a well-known writer on firearms and do-it-yourself gunsmithing.

There was a round of handshaking and backslapping between Keith and Bish. “How ya’ been?” “Whadda’ ya’ been doing? “Long time, no see!” Grinning broadly, Tommy addressed Elmer.

“Elmer, it is really good to see you. You know what happened? Just last night, a bunch of us were talking. I told them about how you took down those flying fish off Catalina Island with that pistol a few years back.” Elmer nodded yes, as both young fans were now smiling after Bish substantiated Elmer’s account of shooting flying fish!

We learned later that Bish had not seen or spoken with Elmer for several years. There was no way in the world a man of his or Elmer’s caliber would have cooked up some phony story about Elmer and the ocean shooting action.

By the Book

Most of my information and quotes come from Gene Brown’s book, Elmer Keith, The Other Side of a Western Legend available here. Brown discusses the trials and tribulations of collecting all of Keith’s books, before the advent of the internet, visiting Keith over the years and how he would even visit him in the nursing home after his stroke. For any true Keith fan, a warmly written, wonderful book giving you a peek into the life of the dean of all gun writers.

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Goodbye California & Thank You!!

Now it would of been easy to write a rant about what the way you have been changed for the worst. Like this one.

What with the Mega fires due to stupidity & greed, The Race Riots, overcrowding, an unfixable housing problem by again greed and stupidity and the mudslides that come every year during the Winter rains.

Also the Earthquakes, High Speed Trains that go no where, our ridiculous taxes, a vastly expensive & invasive state, county and local governments. Or the wonderful brown outs, expensive gas prices. Or the political idiots & the powerful government unions that basically run this state.

That & the vast number of sad, crazy, drug addicted, disgusting, smelly, thieving, begging Bums / Freeloaders out here. Oops I mean the “Homeless Folks” as we might upset those poor creatures feelings. So lets throw BILLIONS of hard earned Californian tax dollars at them. As I won’t mention the amazing amount of additional Federal Tax Money either.

But then surprise!! We never really see where the money or how it was spent. Seeing as our wacked out Governor VETOED a bill that would of created a review of where the money went and how effective it was.

(And this Clown thinks that he will one day soon become President of the USA. God help us all if that disaster happens!)

Now I say bring back the chain gangs and tent camps out in the Mojave Desert near Barstow. That and throw in some really sadistic guards into the mix. Or how about a one way bus tickets back to where you were born. Seeing as that you just lost your California Ticket.

That and if you do come back without a say a job. Then you get to live at San Quentin Prison with a Kiddie Rapist Jacket. Where you will then get some real intense personal treatment from Guys who have nothing to lose.

“Hey I just got ANOTHER triple life without any chance of parole. So come here sweetie it’s time to party!!”

As I am sure that all the folks on Death Row would just love this idea of mine also. As it must be very boring there just sitting around with nothing to do. While thinking of ways to making the guards lives there as miserable as possible. As that’s your only real entertainment. That is until the BIG day comes for you after sitting there for several decades.

Speaking of which. I also want to thank all my former students in Juvenile Hall. I hope that you all got your act together. Or failing that you got life w/o parole. But may God bless you guys anyways!

Moving on. OR HOW ABOUT?

Maybe the unbelievable gun laws here? Which just beg to attacked by the Civil Rights section of the US Justice Department. Since the Supreme Court finally said that the Second Amendment actually is the law of the land!

Or a huge gang problem that feeds off of our citizens that just can’t face live without its daily fix of drugs and prostitution. I think that you would be just amazed at the huge sums of money involved in this area.

(Now to be honest. I admit that I went to a few Whore Houses here when I was a lot younger and even more stupid than I am today. Before I settled down with the worlds greatest wife.)

But frankly that dead horse has not been beaten into hamburger meat.

No instead I want to just say Thank You for the many kindnesses that you have given me and my family. Most of them that now rest in your loving embrace. (I really hope that you guys are happy now where ever your Souls may be!)

So where to start? I mean it’s been a wild ride since that day on the 30 December 1958 at Good  Samaritan Hospital in Down Town Los Angeles. (Now lets see now, I subtract Dec.1958 from 2026 and get 67.)

Yes I am that old now, Moving on People!

Where my great old Dad then put me in a Black Salad Bowl which we then ate out for years to come. While Mom shook open a Champagne bottle and got it to sprayed all over the place. (My folks and the nurses then drank what was left.)

I also want to thank all of my Teachers many of whom were really good and dedicated folks.

Where by the sheer grace of God. I was finally able to read and write. That gave me a few College Degrees too! (Yes there must be a God as that really was a Miracle!)

Now I could bore you with some clever and nasty remarks about all the idiots, rascals, assholes etc. etc. that were either spawned here or invaded the place. But that’s not your fault really Sunshine State!

Instead I want to thank you for all of the Great and just Wonderful folks that I had the great fortune to run into.

Now sadly I would have to easily take the rest of the day to write a list of these wonderful, smart, tough, kind folks. Who have by their sheer existence have taught me so much and made my life so much better. While I frankly have given back so little to them. All I can do is to give my humble thanks to you all!

So before The Boss & I blast off to Connecticut of all places to be closer to the Son & Heir & the Grand Kids. I will say that there are going to be quite a few things that I am going to miss with you.

One is the weather and your almost complete lack of humidity. Which makes it almost boring as my soon to be ex neck of the woods has really only two seasons.

I.E. Its Hot or it rains a bit for a couple of months in winter. (“Gee Grumpy that’s too bad!’)

Another is you sheer beauty of your landscape. What with your great beaches, purple mountains, vast forests in the north to your desolate deserts. All of it you can see either driving or take a hour long plane ride.

But what I will really miss is the prettiest place on earth. Which is the Central Coast between Morro Bay and Santa Cruz. As the Big Sur has captured my heart forever.

Now if you don’t believe me about Big Sur. Then why is it that all of those car ads show on TV. Have their new cars being driven down it? Huh? I can wait for an answer.

The other thing is the wonderful & diverse types of food we have here. Like Mort’s Deli or Bee’s Bakery out in Reseda. Or the sadly gone Burger Continental over in Pasadena. Which that wonderful place was forced closed by those idiots Pasadena city government as I think that they did not pay them off enough.

Another long gone treasure was Alioto’s on Fisherman’s Wharf in Frisco which had the best seafood I ever had and a great view of the Bay too.

Moving on. I also want to take the time to thank all of the ladies that took pity on me & were kind to me. Thank you for all that you taught me & I REALLY wish you well! That and we do here have a huge surplus of some of the best looking women on the Planet.

Now I guess that I could go on forever about you and the things you have invented.

What with California giving the rest of the world a lot of stuff. Like the Movies, Disneyland, some great wine, a ton of fruits (Yeah the stuff you eat, But we do have more than our fair share of those folks here too.) & vegetables. Also a  lot of Gold was & is dug up here!

Computers, a couple of really great harbors that help with trade with Asia. An amazing University called Caltech that with MIT over in Boston is the best university in the world.

The Rose Bowl, an active Volcano that we don’t mention much about for some reason. A couple of huge and I mean huge banks (Wells Fargo and Bank of America)

Well I could go on and on. So all I can do is this! I will miss most of you. I also hope that one day that you get a better class of Leaders than you have today.

(Geez how the f*ck did we get these fuck ups? That and how in the Hell do they keep getting re elected?)

As you really do deserve better! Anyways if I forgot something well I’m sorry about that. So good bye and good luck! It’s been a great ride California. 

I will miss you. Grumpy

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California Gun Owners Are Tired of This Double Standard

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SAF, Partners File Brief In 9th Circuit Court Challenge To California’s Open Carry Ban by Mark Chesnut

California’s long-running ban on openly carrying firearms is once again under legal attack, with major gun-rights organizations urging the Ninth Circuit to strike the law down as unconstitutional.

On May 6, the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) and its partners—the California Rifle & Pistol Association (CRPA), Minnesota Gun Owners Caucus (MGOC) and the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (CCRKBA)—filed an amicus brief with the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals urging the court to strike down California’s ban on the open carry of firearms.

At the center of the case is a simple constitutional question: can a state prohibit open carry while also heavily restricting concealed carry?

The brief, filed in the case Baird v. Bonta, argues: “Historical precedent demonstrates a longstanding tradition of lawful open carry predating the founding of the United States. Accordingly, the Second Amendment protects the right to open carry arms for lawful purposes. And through both the plain text of the Second Amendment as well as the choices of Americans in the modern era, concealed carry is protected as well, despite it once being commonly prohibited. Neither form of carry may be banned.”

The brief also argues that the Second Amendment protects the right to open carry just as it protects the right to concealed carry.

“The Second Amendment refers to keeping and bearing arms as the operative rights it protects,” the brief argues. “Bearing arms, whether openly or concealed, is therefore covered by the plain text of the Second Amendment.

 

Indeed, the Appellant’s proposed course of conduct here does not differ one iota from the Bruen plaintiffs: ‘carrying handguns publicly for self-defense.’”

The case mostly prevailed before a three-judge panel, but that victory was vacated. Now, the case will be reheard en banc.

“The plain text of the Second Amendment protects the right to bear arms – openly or concealed – and open carry has been the default manner of lawful carry for most of American history,” Kostas Moros, SAF director of legal research and education, said in a news release announcing the court filing.

 

“California’s ban has no foundation in our nation’s tradition, and this Court should reaffirm that open carry is protected just as the Founders and generations of Americans understood it to be. As our brief argues, neither open nor concealed carry may be banned today.”

Alan Gottlieb, SAF founder and executive vice president, said the case presents another clear opportunity for the 9th Circuit to faithfully apply Bruen’s historical tradition test to one of the last remaining state bans on open carry, rather than allowing the government to nullify the right through interest-balancing disguised as a “nuanced approach.”

“Open carry predates the Founding and was the primary mode of lawful carry throughout the Nineteenth Century,” Gottlieb said. “SAF and its partners are proud to stand with Mr. Baird against California’s unconstitutional restrictions, and we urge the Court to reject the State’s baseless public-safety claims and restore the full scope of the Second Amendment right.”

The plaintiffs are asking the court to strike down California’s open-carry restrictions and block further enforcement of the law.

The outcome could have major implications not only for California, but for public-carry restrictions nationwide.

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This sums up my State of California well !

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