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Face 10 Years In Prison If You Don’t Surrender Your Bump Stock in 90 Days by S.H. BLANNELBERRY

The government is banning bump stocks. There is no grandfather clause. This is as bad as confiscation, folks. (Photo: SlideFire).

When Wayne LaPierre said on CBS’s Face the Nationthat the ATF needed to “do its job” with respect to bump stocks, one wonders if he was asking the agency to turn thousands of law-abiding gun owners into outlaws. Because that, my friends, is exactly what is happening.
If you currently own a reciprocating stock you will soon be in possession of a machine gun. Unlawful possession of a machine gun is a crime punishable by up to 10 years in prison, according to the DOJ.
This is not a joke. Attorney General Jeff Sessions published a Notice for Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) last week. (I’ve embedded it below.)  If made final, possessors of “bump-stock-type devices would be required to surrender, destroy, or otherwise render the devices permanently inoperable.”
To be abundantly clear there is no grandfather clause in the NPRM.  In other words, this is confiscation on a national scale, folks.
“Since the day he took office, President Trump has had no higher priority than the safety of each and every American,” said Attorney General Jeff Sessions in a statement.
“That is why today the Department of Justice is publishing for public comment a proposed rulemaking that would define ‘machinegun’ to include bump stock-type devices under federal law—effectively banning them,” he added.
Even for those of you who said, over and over: Who cares about bump stocks! They break if not the letter of the law than certainly the spirit of the law. They should be banned! Even you should take offense to this NPRM.
At the very least there should be a grandfather clause for bump stock owners. You have to acknowledge that.  Because criminalizing the possession of lawfully purchased firearms and accessories is infringement. It is unconstitutional. Period.
Plus, how do you not bristle at the way this whole saga unfolded?!  NRA called for “additional regulations” back in October. Trump wasted no time and kicked the movement to ban these devices into high gear. There was no pause to consider the ramifications of the policy change. Even more frightening, Trump seemed enthusiastic about getting it done.

SEE ALSO: NRA Gets Its Wish: ATF Will (Once Again) Review Legality of Bump Stocks

“By the way, bump stocks, we’re writing that out. I’m writing that out myself,” said president Trump in February.  “I don’t care if Congress does it or not. I’m writing it out myself, OK.”
And we accused Obama of ruling by executive fiat.
What’s worse is that this NPRM became a reality despite two prior determinations from the ATF saying a bump stock was a “firearm part” and not a “machinegun”; an open letter from the agency’s association admitting that ATF didn’t have the authority to ban the device, only Congress had the power to; and overwhelming public opposition.  Remember, when ATF requested public comment on the ban, 85 percent of the more than 32,000 submissions were anti-regulation.
Yet none of that mattered.  You know, when many of us screamed that this isn’t just about bump stocks, this is what we meant.  It’s about much more: the NRA belying its core mission to protect 2A rights, Trump breaking his promise to gun owners (“I’ll never let you down”), a rule turning law-abiding citizens into criminals, a regulatory agency acting as a legislative body to satisfy a political agenda.  Fundamentally, it’s about betrayal.
Some of my friends in the gun community already believe the war is lost. That it’s only a matter of time before our 2A rights are a thing of the past. Looking what has happened under GOP leadership, with a so-called gun-friendly president — at the beckoning of the nation’s preeminent gun rights group, no less — I’m having a hard time disagreeing with that assessment.
Once the NPRM is officially published by the Federal Register, there will be a 90-day comment period.  Please take the time to speak up.   Let them know that this overreach is unacceptable.  Even if you support a ban on bump stock devices, this isn’t the way to get it done.  It should have to come from Congress.  Not Trump, not Wayne LaPierre, not from the pencil pushers at the ATF.

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Blasts From the Past: Model 48 Topper A priceless old shotgun, perfect for rabbits, squirrels, and more BY PHIL BOURJAILY

Model 48, 16-gauge Topper, single-shot shotgun

Patrick’s single-shot 16-gauge.
Provided by Patrick
The H&R single-shot shotgun was a staple of farmers, thrifty hunters, and kids since its introduction back in 1900. The gun evolved through several model numbers as it was improved and updated over the years.
The Model 48, subject of today’s BFTP, was introduced in 1943 and was made until 1956. It was the first gun to be called a “Topper.”
The Topper, as I understand it, is no longer made, which is a shame. The 16-gauge has been dying the same slow death for the last 25 to 30 years or so, but it hangs in, and it even got a little shot in the arm from Browning’s recent introduction of the excellent Sweet Sixteen A5. It’s a perfect, and classy, cartridge for the uplands and small-game hunting.
Patrick’s Topper
It’s far from the oldest gun around, but this Model 48 Topper means a lot to me. Going into the outdoors with my grandpa made up some of my fondest childhood memories. Now, a few years after his passing, I’m not able to go with him, but taking his gun still brings him with me, and the 1940s-era 16-gauge reminds me of those life lessons and memories.
Growing up at a time when the 16-gauge was considered obsolete added to the gun’s mystique for me. I can remember being a wide-eyed child, looking at the dark-stained stock and having my grandfather tell me: “I was 16 and wanted a gun to hunt rabbits, so I got a 16-gauge.” The broken bead and every scar on the stock all add its story. Carrying this old 16-gauge on a simple Thanksgiving-morning squirrel hunt makes it one of my favorite days of the year.
This gun is a perfect example of a gun that’s nearly worthless in monetary terms (in this condition, it would go for about $75), but I bet it’s not for sale at any price. Thanks to Patrick for sharing his grandfather’s gun,
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A Winchester Model 71 Standard in caliber .348 Win.

A really handsome looking rifle that was the latest version of the Winchester Lever Action Rifles. That & the 348 is one hard hitting round to boot! Pity that they are almost impossible to find out here in the People’s Republic!

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APEX CUSTOM .270 WIN CALIBER RIFLE.

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RUGER MODEL SINGLE SIX SINGLE ACTION REVOLVER, THREE SCREW

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THIS IS A RUGER MODEL SINGLE SIX SINGLE ACTION REVOLVER IN CALIBER 22 LONG RIFLE PRE WARNING NON TRANSFER BAR STYLE AND HAS NOT BEEN CONVERTED.

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What Evil looks like

In 1979, 16-year-old Brenda Ann Spencer was arrested
after the infamous Cleveland Elementary School shooting in California, which killed the principal and a custodian.
When asked why she did it, her reply was, “I just don’t like Mondays.”
She is still in Prison so far today.
Brenda Spencer
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Spencer in 1996
Born Brenda Ann Spencer
April 3, 1962 (age 55)
San Diego, California
Status Incarcerated
Residence California Institution for Women, Chino, California
Criminal charge 2 counts of murder
1 count of assault with a deadly weapon
Criminal penalty 25 years to life in prison
Parent(s) Wallace Spencer
Dot Spencer
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Table of handgun cartridges – I almost feel sorry for the Supply Sgt on this issue!

Table of handgun cartridges

Cartridge name Bullet
diameter		 Case
length		 Cartridge
length		 Type Source
2.34mm rimfire (for Swiss mini gun) .092 in (2.3 mm) .240 in (6.1 mm) – Rimmed, rimfire [1]
2.7mm Kolibri (2mm Kolibri, 2.7×9mm) .107 in (2.7 mm) .370 in (9.4 mm) .430 in (10.9 mm) Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 274
3 mm Kolibri .120 in (3.0 mm) .320 in (8.1 mm) .430 in (10.9 mm) Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 274
4.25 mm Liliput (4.25 mm Erika) .167 in (4.2 mm) .410 in (10.4 mm) .560 in (14.2 mm) Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 274
.17 Hornady Mach 2 (.17 HM2) .172 in (4.4 mm) .714 in (18.1 mm) – Rimmed, rimfire [2]
.17 Hornady Magnum Rimfire (.17 HMR) .172 in (4.4 mm) 1.058 in (26.9 mm) – Rimmed, rimfire [1]
.17-357 RG – – – – –
4.6×30mm .183 in (4.6 mm) 1.201 in (30.5 mm) – Rimless [3]
5 mm Clement (5 mm Clement Auto) .202 in (5.1 mm) .710 in (18.0 mm) 1.010 in (25.7 mm) Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 274
5 mm Bergmann (5 mm Bergmann Rimless) .203 in (5.2 mm) .590 in (15.0 mm) .960 in (24.4 mm) Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 274
5 mm Remington Rimfire Magnum (5 mm RMR) .205 in (5.2 mm) 1.020 in (25.9 mm) 1.130 in (28.7 mm) Rimmed, rimfire Barnes 1997, p. 394
5.45×18mm (5.45×18mm Soviet, 5.45×18mm MPTs, 5.45×18mm PSM) .210 in (5.3 mm) .700 in (17.8 mm) .980 in (24.9 mm) Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 274
.22 BB (.22 BB Cap) .222 in (5.6 mm) .284 in (7.2 mm) .343 in (8.7 mm) Rimmed, rimfire Barnes 1997, p. 394
.22 CB (.22 CB Cap) .222 in (5.6 mm) .420 in (10.7 mm) .520 in (13.2 mm) Rimmed, rimfire Barnes 1997, p. 394
.22 Short .223 in (5.7 mm) .423 in (10.7 mm) .686 in (17.4 mm) Rimmed, rimfire Barnes 1997, p. 394
.22 Long .223 in (5.7 mm) .595 in (15.1 mm) .880 in (22.4 mm) Rimmed, rimfire Barnes 1997, p. 394
.22 Long Rifle (.22 LR, .22 Stinger [hot loading]) .223 in (5.7 mm) .595 in (15.1 mm) .975 in (24.8 mm) Rimmed, rimfire Barnes 1997, p. 394
.22 Remington Jet (.22 Jet, .22 Centerfire Magnum) .223 in (5.7 mm) 1.280 in (32.5 mm) 1.580 in (40.1 mm) Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 274
.22 Reed Express 7.62mm Tokarev necked down to .223/4 .223 in (5.7 mm) 0.980 in (24.9 mm) 1.350 in (34.3 mm) Rimless [4]
.22 TCM .223 in (5.7 mm) 1.025 in (26.0 mm) – Rimless –
.22 WMR (.22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire, .22 Magnum) .224 in (5.7 mm) 1.052 in (26.7 mm) 1.350 in (34.3 mm) Rimmed, rimfire Barnes 1997, p. 394
.224 Kay-Chuk (.224 Harvey Kay-Chuk) .224 in (5.7 mm) 1.35 in (34 mm) – Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 199
.221 Remington Fireball .224 in (5.7 mm) 1.400 in (35.6 mm) 1.820 in (46.2 mm) Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 274
.224 BOZ .224 in (5.7 mm) .909 in (23.1 mm) – Rimless [5]
.224 Montgomery .224 in (5.7 mm) .620 in (15.7 mm) – Rimless –
Cartridge name Bullet
diameter		 Case
length		 Cartridge
length		 Type Source
.224-32 FA [.327 Federal necked to .22] .224 in (5.7 mm) 1.120 in (28.4 mm) – Rimmed [6]
5.7×28mm .220 in (5.6 mm) 1.130 in (28.7 mm) 1.710 in (43.4 mm) Rimless Barnes 1997, 311
5.5mm Velo-Dog (5.75mm Velo Dog) .225 in (5.7 mm) 1.120 in (28.4 mm) 1.350 in (34.3 mm) Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 274
5.8×21 mm DAP92 .230 in (5.8 mm) .827 in (21.0 mm) – Rimless [2]
.25 ACP (.25 Auto, .25 Auto Colt Pistol, 6.35mm Auto, 6.35mm Browning, 6.35×16mmSR) .251 in (6.4 mm) .620 in (15.7 mm) .910 in (23.1 mm) Semi-rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 274
.25 NAA .251 in (6.4 mm) – – Semi-rimmed Barnes 2006, p. 288
.256 Winchester Magnum .257 in (6.5 mm) 1.300 in (33.0 mm) 1.530 in (38.9 mm) Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 274
6.5mm Bergmann .264 in (6.7 mm) .870 in (22.1 mm) 1.230 in (31.2 mm) Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 274
7 mmNambu (7×20mm) .280 in (7.1 mm) .780 in (19.8 mm) 1.060 in (26.9 mm) Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 274
.30 Wildey (.30 Wildey Magnum) [advertised as necked-down version of .475 Wildey] .309 in (7.8 mm) – – Rimless –
7.62×17 mm Type 64 (7.62 mm Chinese) [rimless development of the .32 ACP] .309 in (7.8 mm) .780 in (19.8 mm) – Rimless –
7.62mm Tokarev (7.62×25mm) .307 in (7.8 mm) .970 in (24.6 mm) 1.350 in (34.3 mm) Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 274
7.62mm Nagant (7.62×38 mmR) .295 in (7.5 mm) 1.530 in (38.9 mm) 1.530 in (38.9 mm) Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 274
7.62×42 mm SP-4 .307 in (7.8 mm) 1.634 in (41.5 mm) – Rimless [7]
7.63mm Mauser (7.63×25 mm) .308 in (7.8 mm) .990 in (25.1 mm) 1.360 in (34.5 mm) Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 274
.32 ACP (.32 Auto, .32 Auto Colt Pistol, 7.65mm Auto, 7.65mm Browning, 7.65×17mmSR) .309 in (7.8 mm) .680 in (17.3 mm) 1.030 in (26.2 mm) Semi-rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 274
.32 Colt [inside-lubricated variant of .32 Long Colt] .299 in (7.6 mm) .755 in (19.2 mm) – Rimmed Barnes 2000, p. 308
.32 Protector .300 in (7.6 mm) .350 in (8.9 mm) – Rimmed Barnes 2000, p. 308
7.65mm Roth–Sauer, 7.65mm Frommer .301 in (7.6 mm) .510 in (13.0 mm) .840 in (21.3 mm) Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 274
7.65mm Borchardt (7.65×25mm Borchardt, .30 Borchardt) .307 in (7.8 mm) .990 in (25.1 mm) 1.340 in (34.0 mm) Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 274
7.65 mm Parabellum (7.65×22mm Parabellum, 7.65×21mm Luger, 7.65mm Luger, .30 Luger) .308 in (7.8 mm) .750 in (19.1 mm) 1.150 in (29.2 mm) Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 274
7.65mm Mannlicher (7.63mm Mannlicher, 7.65×21 mm) .308 in (7.8 mm) .840 in (21.3 mm) 1.120 in (28.4 mm) Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 274
.35 S&W Auto (.35 Auto) .309 in (7.8 mm) .670 in (17.0 mm) .970 in (24.6 mm) Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 274
7.65 mm Longue (7.65 mm MAS) .309 in (7.8 mm) .780 in (19.8 mm) 1.190 in (30.2 mm) Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 274
.32 NAA .312 in (7.9 mm) .680 in (17.3 mm) – Rimless Barnes 2006, p. 288
Cartridge name Bullet
diameter		 Case
length		 Cartridge
length		 Type Source
.32 S&W .312 in (7.9 mm) .610 in (15.5 mm) .920 in (23.4 mm) Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 274
.32 S&W Long (.32 Colt New Police) .312 in (7.9 mm) .930 in (23.6 mm) 1.270 in (32.3 mm) Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 274
7.92×24mm VBR [shortened .30 Carbine case] .312 in (7.9 mm) .940 in (23.9 mm) – Rimless –
.32-20 Winchester (.32 WCF, .32-20 Marlin, .32 Colt Lightning) .312 in (7.9 mm) 1.320 in (33.5 mm) – Rimmed Barnes 2006, p. 288
.32 H&R Magnum .312 in (7.9 mm) 1.080 in (27.4 mm) 1.350 in (34.3 mm) Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 91
.327 Federal Magnum .312 in (7.9 mm) 1.200 in (30.5 mm) – Rimmed Barnes 2006, p. 288
.32 Short Colt (.32 SC) .312 in (7.9 mm) .610 in (15.5 mm) – Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 274
.32 Long Colt (.32 LC) .312 in (7.9 mm) .920 in (23.4 mm) – Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 274
.320 Revolver (.320 European, .320 Bulldog, .320 Webley) .317 in (8.1 mm) .620 in (15.7 mm) .900 in (22.9 mm) Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 274
7.5 mm Swiss Army (7.5 mm 1882 Ordnance) .317 in (8.1 mm) .890 in (22.6 mm) 1.290 in (32.8 mm) Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 274
7.7 mm Bittner 1893 pistol – – – Rimless Hogg & Weeks 1996, p. 181
8 mm Rast & Gasser (8 mm Gasser) .320 in (8.1 mm) 1.037 in (26.3 mm) 1.391 in (35.3 mm) Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 274
8 mm Nambu .320 in (8.1 mm) .860 in (21.8 mm) 1.250 in (31.8 mm) Semi-rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 274
8 mm Lebel Revolver (8 mm French Ordnance ) .323 in (8.2 mm) 1.07 in (27 mm) 1.44 in (37 mm) Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 274
8 mm Pieper .286 in (7.3 mm) 1.467 in (37.3 mm) 1.467 in (37.3 mm) Rimmed [3]
7.5 mm Nagant (7.5 mm Swedish Nagant) .325 in (8.3 mm) .89 in (23 mm) 1.350 in (34.3 mm) Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 274
8 mm Roth–Steyr .329 in (8.4 mm) .740 in (18.8 mm) 1.140 in (29.0 mm) Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 274
8.5 mm Mars .331 in (8.4 mm) 1.024 in (26.0 mm) 1.449 in (36.8 mm) Rimless [4]
9mm Japanese revolver .351 in (8.9 mm) .860 in (21.8 mm) 1.210 in (30.7 mm) Rimmed Hogg & Weeks 2000, p. 405
9mm Ultra (9mm Police, 9×18mm) .355 in (9.0 mm) .720 in (18.3 mm) 1.030 in (26.2 mm) Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 274
9mm Glisenti .355 in (9.0 mm) .750 in (19.1 mm) 1.15 in (29 mm) Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 274
9mm Parabellum (9mm Luger, 9mm NATO, 9×19mm) .355 in (9.0 mm) .754 in (19.2 mm) 1.169 in (29.7 mm) Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 274
9 mm Federal (9×19mmR) .355 in (9.0 mm) .754 in (19.2 mm) 1.163 in (29.5 mm) Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 274
9mm Browning Long (9×20mmSR) .355 in (9.0 mm) .800 in (20.3 mm) 1.100 in (27.9 mm) Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 274
9×21 mm (9mm IMI) .355 in (9.0 mm) .830 in (21.1 mm) 1.160 in (29.5 mm) Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 200
Cartridge name Bullet
diameter		 Case
length		 Cartridge
length		 Type Source
.356 TSW (9×21.5mm) .355 in (9.0 mm) .840 in (21.3 mm) – Rimless Starline 356 TS&W factsheet
9mm Action Express (9mm AE) .355 in (9.0 mm) .866 in (22.0 mm) 1.152 in (29.3 mm) Rebated rim Barnes 1997, p. 200
.38-45 Auto (.45-38 Auto Pistol, .45-38 Clerke, .45-38 Hard Head) .355 in (9.0 mm) .90 in (23 mm) 1.200 in (30.5 mm) Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 200
9mm Steyr (9×23mm Steyr) .355 in (9.0 mm) .900 in (22.9 mm) 1.300 in (33.0 mm) Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 274
9mm Largo (9mm Bergmann–Bayard, 9mm Bayard Long, 9×23mm) .355 in (9.0 mm) .910 in (23.1 mm) 1.320 in (33.5 mm) Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 274
9×25mm Mauser .355 in (9.0 mm) .981 in (24.9 mm) 1.380 in (35.1 mm) Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 274
9×25mm Dillon .355 in (9.0 mm) .990 in (25.1 mm) 1.260 in (32.0 mm) Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 200
9×25mm Mauser (9mm Mauser Export) .355 in (9.0 mm) .981 in (24.9 mm) – Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 274
9mm Winchester Magnum .355 in (9.0 mm) 1.160 in (29.5 mm) 1.545 in (39.2 mm) Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 274
.380 ACP (.380 Auto, 9mm Kurz, 9mm Browning Short, 9×17mm) .355 in (9.0 mm) .680 in (17.3 mm) .980 in (24.9 mm) Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 274
.38 rimfire (.38RF, .38 Hopkins & Allen) .356 in (9.0 mm) .866 in (22.0 mm) 1.341 in (34.1 mm) Rimmed, rimfire [5]
9×23 mm Winchester .356 in (9.0 mm) .900 in (22.9 mm) 1.300 in (33.0 mm) Rimless [6], .38 rimfire
.38 Casull .356 in (9.0 mm) .933 in (23.7 mm) – Rimless [7]
9 mm Mars .360 in (9.1 mm) 1.036 in (26.3 mm) 1.426 in (36.2 mm) Rimless [8]
.38 Short Colt .357 in (9.1 mm) .762 in (19.4 mm) 1.052 in (26.7 mm) Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 274
.38 Long Colt .357 in (9.1 mm) 1.030 in (26.2 mm) 1.320 in (33.5 mm) Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 274
.38 Special .357 in (9.1 mm) 1.16 in (29 mm) 1.550 in (39.4 mm) Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 274
.38 AMU (.38 Army Marksmanship Unit) .357 in (9.1 mm) 1.15 in (29 mm) – Rimless [9]
.357 Wildey Magnum (.357 Peterbuilt) – – – Rebated rim –
.357 AutoMag (.357 AMP) .357 in (9.1 mm) 1.298 in (33.0 mm) 1.600 in (40.6 mm) Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 200
.357-45 GWM (.357/45 Grizzly Winchester Magnum .357 in (9.1 mm) 1.300 in (33.0 mm) – Rimless LAR Reloading Data: Cartridge: “357/45 GWM”
.357/44 Bain & Davis .357 in (9.1 mm) 1.280 in (32.5 mm) 1.550 in (39.4 mm) Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 200
.357 Magnum (9×31mmR, .353 Casull [special hunting load for Freedom Arms revolvers]) .357 in (9.1 mm) 1.290 in (32.8 mm) 1.590 in (40.4 mm) Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 274
.360 DW .357 in (9.1 mm) 1.415 in (35.9 mm) – Rimmed [10]
.357 Remington Maximum (.357 Maximum) .357 in (9.1 mm) 1.590 in (40.4 mm) 1.970 in (50.0 mm) Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 274
Cartridge name Bullet
diameter		 Case
length		 Cartridge
length		 Type Source
.357 SuperMag .357 in (9.1 mm) 1.610 in (40.9 mm) – Rimmed Guns Illustrated 1996, p. 10
.357 SIG .355 in (9.0 mm) .865 in (22.0 mm) 1.140 in (29.0 mm) Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 274
.38 ACP (.38 Auto, 9×23 mmSR) .358 in (9.1 mm) .900 in (22.9 mm) 1.280 in (32.5 mm) Semi-rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 274
.38 Super .356 in (9.0 mm) .900 in (22.9 mm) 1.280 in (32.5 mm) Semi-rimmed Lyman Reloading Handbook 46Ed, p. 381
.38 Super Comp .356 in (9.0 mm) .896 in (22.8 mm) 1.280 in (32.5 mm) Rimless Starline cartridge dimensions
.38 S&W (.38 Colt New Police, .380 Rim, .38 S&W Corto, .380-200 British Service) .359 in (9.1 mm) .780 in (19.8 mm) 1.200 in (30.5 mm) Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 274
9mm Makarov (9×18mm PM) .363 in (9.2 mm) .710 in (18.0 mm) .970 in (24.6 mm) Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 274
9×21 mm Gyurza .355 in (9.0 mm) .820 in (20.8 mm) 1.3 in (33 mm) Rimless Starline cartridge dimensions
.380 Revolver Short [British Webley pattern from the 1860s, copied by Colt to produce .38 Short Colt] .375 in (9.5 mm) 0.700 in (17.8 mm) 1.100 in (27.9 mm) Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 274
.380 Revolver Long [British Webley pattern from the 1860s] .375 in (9.5 mm) 1.000 in (25.4 mm) 1.400 in (35.6 mm) Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 274
.375 SuperMag .357 in (9.1 mm) 1.610 in (40.9 mm) – Rimmed Guns Illustrated 1996, p. 11
9.8mm Auto Colt (9.65mm Browning Automatic) .378 in (9.6 mm) .912 in (23.2 mm) 1.267 in (32.2 mm) Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 274
9.4mm Dutch Revolver (9.4×21mm Dutch) .380 in (9.7 mm) 0.815 in (20.7 mm) 1.150 Rimmed, tapered Handguns of the World (Ezell)
9.4mm Dutch El Revolver (9.4×27mm Dutch) .380 in (9.7 mm) 1.071 in (27.2 mm) 1.295 Rimmed, tapered Handguns of the World (Ezell)
.41 Long Colt [smokeless inside-lubricated variant] .386 in (9.8 mm) 1.130 in (28.7 mm) – Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 274
.40 S&W (.40 Auto, .40 Short, 10×22mm) .400 in (10.2 mm) .850 in (21.6 mm) 1.235 in (31.4 mm) Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 274
10mm Auto (10×25mm, 10mm Norma, 10mm F.B.I.) .400 in (10.2 mm) .990 in (25.1 mm) 1.260 in (32.0 mm) Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 274
10 mm Magnum .400 in (10.2 mm) 1.255 in (31.9 mm) – Rimless “10 mm Magnum Data” Handloading sheet
.40 Super .400 in (10.2 mm) .988 in (25.1 mm) – Rimless –
.40 G&A .400 in (10.2 mm) .866 in (22.0 mm) – Rimless [11]
.40 G&A Magnum .400 in (10.2 mm) – – Belted [12]
.400 CorBon .401 in (10.2 mm) .898 in (22.8 mm) 1.200 in (30.5 mm) Rimless Barnes 2000, p. 263
.41 Short Colt .401 in (10.2 mm) .650 in (16.5 mm) .910 in (23.1 mm) Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 274
.41 Long Colt .401 in (10.2 mm) 1.130 in (28.7 mm) 1.390 in (35.3 mm) Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 274
.38-40 Winchester (.38-40 WCF) .401 in (10.2 mm) 1.300 in (33.0 mm) 1.590 in (40.4 mm) Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 92
Cartridge name Bullet
diameter		 Case
length		 Cartridge
length		 Type Source
.401 Powermag (.401 Herter’s Powermag) .401 in (10.2 mm) 1.290 in (32.8 mm) 1.640 in (41.7 mm) Rimless Barnes 2000, p. 263
.41 Action Express (.41 AE) .410 in (10.4 mm) .866 in (22.0 mm) 1.170 in (29.7 mm) Rebated rim Barnes 1997, p. 274
.41 Avenger .410 in (10.4 mm) .950 in (24.1 mm) – Rimless Handloader 107, p. 28
.41 Wildey Magnum (10 mm Wildey Magnum) .410 in (10.4 mm) – – Rebated rim –
.41 Special .410 in (10.4 mm) 1.160 in (29.5 mm) – Rimless Barnes 2000, p. 209
.41 Remington Magnum (.41 Magnum) .410 in (10.4 mm) 1.280 in (32.5 mm) – Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 274
.414 SuperMag .410 in (10.4 mm) 1.610 in (40.9 mm) – Rimmed Sierra Handgun Reloading Manual 4th Ed, p. 219
10.35 mm (10.4 mm Italian, 10.4 mm Italian Ordnance) .422 in (10.7 mm) .890 in (22.6 mm) 1.25 in (32 mm) Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 274
10.4 mm Swiss (.41 Swiss) – – – Rimmed –
.44 Russian (.44 Smith & Wesson Russian, .44 S&W Russian) .429 in (10.9 mm) .970 in (24.6 mm) – Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 274
.44 Special (.44 S&W Special) .429 in (10.9 mm) 1.160 in (29.5 mm) – Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 274
.44 Magnum (.44 Remington Magnum) .429 in (10.9 mm) 1.290 in (32.8 mm) – Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 274
.44-40 Winchester (.44 WCF) .429 in (10.9 mm) 1.310 in (33.3 mm) – Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 92
.445 SuperMag .432 in (11.0 mm) 1.600 in (40.6 mm) – Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 200
.440 Cor-bon .429 in (10.9 mm) 1.280 in (32.5 mm) – Rebated rim Barnes 2000, p. 263
.44 Wildey Magnum (11 mm Wildey Magnum) .429 in (10.9 mm) – – Rebated rim GunsNovember 1991, p. 42
.44 AMP (.44 AutoMag) .429 in (10.9 mm) 1.298 in (33.0 mm) – Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 274
.44 S&W American (.44 American) .434 in (11.0 mm) .910 in (23.1 mm) – Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 274
.442 Webley (.442 Revolver Centre Fire, .442 Kurz, .44 Webley, .442 RIC, 10.5×17mmR) .436 in (11.1 mm) .690 in (17.5 mm) – Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 274
.44 Bull Dog .440 in (11.2 mm) .570 in (14.5 mm) – Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 274
.44 Colt .443 in (11.3 mm) 1.100 in (27.9 mm) – Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 274
11.75mm Montenegrin (11mm Gasser, 11.25×36mm Montenegrin) .445 in (11.3 mm) 1.400 in (35.6 mm) – Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 274
11.35 mm Schouboe (11.35×18mm, .45 Schouboe) .45 in (11 mm) – – Rimless –
11 mm French Ordnance .451 in (11.5 mm) .710 in (18.0 mm) – Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 274
11mm German Service (10.6mm German Service, 10.8mm German Service) .451 in (11.5 mm) .960 in (24.4 mm) – Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 274
Cartridge name Bullet
diameter		 Case
length		 Cartridge
length		 Type Source
.460 Rowland .451 in (11.5 mm) .955 in (24.3 mm) 1.260 in (32.0 mm) Rimless –
.45 Winchester Magnum (.45 WinMag, .45 NAACO) .451 in (11.5 mm) 1.198 in (30.4 mm) – Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 274
.450 Magnum Express .451 in (11.5 mm) 1.344 in (34.1 mm) – Rimless [13]
.450 Bonecrusher .458 in – – – –
.45 Webley .452 in (11.5 mm) .820 in (20.8 mm) – Rimmed Barnes 2000, p. 309
.45 Auto Rim (.45 Automatic Rimmed) .452 in (11.5 mm) .898 in (22.8 mm) – Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 274
.45 GAP (.45 Glock) .452 in (11.5 mm) .755 in (19.2 mm) – Rebated rim [14]
.45 HP (.45 Automatic Short, .45 Hirtenberger Patrone, .45 Italian) .452 in (11.5 mm) .860 in (21.8 mm) – Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 274
.45 ACP (.45 Automatic, .45 Auto Colt Pistol, 11.43×23 mm) .452 in (11.5 mm) .898 in (22.8 mm) 1.260 in (32.0 mm) Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 274
.45 Super .451 in (11.5 mm) .898 in (22.8 mm) 1.260 in (32.0 mm) Rimless –
.450 SMC (.450 Short Magnum Cartridge, .450 Triton) [.45 Super with small primer] .451 in (11.5 mm) .898 in (22.8 mm) 1.260 in (32.0 mm) Rimless [15]
.45 Wildey Magnum – – – Rebated rim –
.451 Detonics[8] (.451 Detonics Magnum) .452 in (11.5 mm) .942 in (23.9 mm) – Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 274
.454 Casull (.45 Magnum) .452 in (11.5 mm) 1.390 in (35.3 mm) – Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 275
.455 SuperMag – 1.610 in (40.9 mm) – Rimmed –
.460 S&W Magnum .452 in (11.5 mm) 1.800 in (45.7 mm) – Rimmed –
.455 Webley (.455 Webley Revolver Mark 1) .454 in (11.5 mm) .854 in (21.7 mm) – Rimmed –
.455 Webley (.455 Webley Revolver Mark 2) .454 in (11.5 mm) .770 in (19.6 mm) – Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 275
.45 Schofield (.45 Smith & Wesson, .45 S&W Schofield) .454 in (11.5 mm) 1.100 in (27.9 mm) – Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 275
.45 Colt Government (45 Colt Short) .454 in (11.5 mm) 1.100 in (27.9 mm) – Rimmed Barnes 2000, p. 309
.45 Colt (.45 Long Colt) .454 in (11.5 mm) 1.290 in (32.8 mm) 1.600 in (40.6 mm) Rimmed Barnes 2000, p. 309
.45 Mars Short .447 in (11.4 mm) 0.795 in (20.2 mm) 1.096 in (27.8 mm) Rimless [16]
.45 Mars Long .449 in (11.4 mm) 1.093 in (27.8 mm) 1.404 in (35.7 mm) Rimless [17]
.450 Adams (.450 Revolver, .450 Boxer, .450 Short, .450 Corto) .455 in (11.6 mm) .690 in (17.5 mm) – Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 275
.455 Webley Auto .455 in (11.6 mm) .930 in (23.6 mm) – Semi-rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 275
Cartridge name Bullet
diameter		 Case
length		 Cartridge
length		 Type Source
.455 Revolver Mk I (.455 Colt) .455 in (11.6 mm) .870 in (22.1 mm) – Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 275
.458 Devastator .458 in (11.6 mm) 1.400 in (35.6 mm) – Belted –
.458 Maximum (.458 Maximum 1.6″) .458 in (11.6 mm) 1.600 in (40.6 mm) – Belted –
.476 Enfield (.476 Eley, .476 Revolver, .455/476) .472 in (12.0 mm) .870 in (22.1 mm) – Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 275
.480 Ruger .475 in (12.1 mm) 1.285 in (32.6 mm) – Rimmed Barnes 2006, p. 313
.475 Wildey Magnum .475 in (12.1 mm) 1.295 in (32.9 mm) – Rimless Barnes 1997, p. 200
.475 Linebaugh .476 in (12.1 mm) 1.500 in (38.1 mm) – Rimmed Guns Illustrated 1996, p. 9
.475 Linebaugh Long (.475 Maximum) .476 in (12.1 mm) 1.610 in (40.9 mm) – Rimmed Guns Illustrated 1996, p. 12
12.3×22mm [Udar revolver cartridge] – – – Rimmed –
12.3×40mm (STs-110) [Udar revolver cartridge] – – – Rimmed –
12.3×50mm [Udar revolver cartridge] – – – Rimmed –
.50 GI .500 in (12.7 mm) .899 in (22.8 mm) – Rebated rim –
.50 Action Express (.50 AE) .500 in (12.7 mm) 1.285 in (32.6 mm) – Rebated rim Barnes 1997, p. 275
.500 Wyoming Express (.500 WE) .500 in (12.7 mm) 1.370 in (34.8 mm) – Belted –
.500 JRH .500 in (12.7 mm) 1.400 in (35.6 mm) – Rimmed [18]
.500 S&W Special .500 in (12.7 mm) – – Rimmed –
.500 S&W Magnum .500 in (12.7 mm) 1.600 in (40.6 mm) – Rimmed –
.50 Remington .508 in (12.9 mm) .875 in (22.2 mm) – Rimmed Barnes 1997, p. 275
.50 Special (.50 Bowen Special) .511 in (13.0 mm) 1.160 in (29.5 mm) – Rimmed –
.500 Linebaugh .511 in (13.0 mm) 1.410 in (35.8 mm) – Rimmed Guns Illustrated 1996, p. 9
.500 Linebaugh Long (.500 Maximum) .511 in (13.0 mm) 1.610 in (40.9 mm) – Rimmed Guns Illustrated 1996, p. 13
.505 SuperMag (.510 SuperMag) – – – Rimmed –
13mm Gyrojet – – – Rimless –
.577 Boxer (.577 Eley, .577 Webley) – – – Rimmed –
7mm Penna 7.04 mm (0.277 in) 23 mm (0.91 in) Rimless, straight [19]
Cartridge name Bullet
diameter		 Case
length		 Cartridge
length		 Type Source

Other cartridges used in repeating handguns[edit]

Although not originally designed for handguns, several rifle and shotgun cartridges have also been chambered in a number of large handguns, primarily in revolvers like the Phelps Heritage revolver, Century Arms revolver, Thompson/Centre Contender break-open pistol, Magnum Research BFR, and the Pfeifer Zeliska revolvers. These include:

Cartridge name Bullet
diameter		 Case
length		 Cartridge
length		 Handgun
application		 Source
.218 Bee – – – Taurus Raging Bee
Magnum Research BFR		 –
.22 Hornet – – – Kimball Arms pistol
Taurus Raging Hornet
Magnum Research BFR		 –
5.45×39mm – – – TOZ-81
TP-82		 –
.223 Remington – – – Taurus Raging 223 –
*.30 Carbine – – – Kimball Arms pistol
AMT Automag III
Ruger Blackhawk
Taurus Raging Thirty
Iver Johnson Enforcer		 –
.30-30 Winchester – – – Century Arms Model 100 revolver
Magnum Research BFR
Thompson/Center Contender		 –
7.62×39mm – – – Nagant M1895 (with cut off bullet) –
7.62x54R – – – self-made revolver (with cut off bullet) –
.375 Winchester – – – Century Arms Model 100 revolver
Phelps Patriot revolver		 –
.410 bore – – – MIL Thunder Five
D-Max Sidewinder
Magnum Research BFR
Bond Arms Texas Defender
Taurus Judge
Smith & Wesson Governor[20]		 –
.444 Marlin – – – Century Arms Model 100 revolver
Phelps Eagle I revolver
Magnum Research BFR		 –
.450 Marlin – – – Magnum Research BFR –
.45-70 Government – – – Century Arms Model 100 revolver
Phelps Heritage I revolver
MIL Thunder Five
Magnum Research BFR		 –
.458 Winchester Magnum – – – Pfeifer Zeliska revolver –
.50-70 Government – – – Century Arms Model 100 revolver
Phelps Grizzly revolver		 –
12.7×55 PS-12 Russian – – – RSh-12 revolver –
28-gauge – – – Taurus Raging Judge [21]
.600 Nitro Express – – – Pfeifer Zeliska revolver –
Cartridge name Bullet
diameter		 Case
length		 Cartridge
length		 Handgun
application		 Source

Gallery[edit]

See also[edit]

References[edit]

  1. Jump up^ “SwissMiniGun Arme Miniature Miniature Arms”.
  2. Jump up^ “.17 Mach 2”.
  3. Jump up^ “HKPRO: The 4.6mm x 30 PDW”. 18 February 2008. Archived from the original on February 18, 2008.
  4. Jump up^ “.22 Reed Express”.
  5. Jump up^ “.224Boz / MUNICION.ORG”.
  6. Jump up^ http://www.freedomarms.com/224-32fada.pdf
  7. Jump up^ “Firearm Technical Trivia, November 2001”.
  8. Jump up^ “Short History of the .451 Detonics Magnum”. 2012-08-05.
  • Hogg, Ian V., and John S. Weeks. Military Small Arms of the 20th Century. 7th edition. Iola, WI: Krause Publications, 2000.

External links[edit]

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How many were there?

How many people protesting guns???

Image courtesy of Daily Mail UK Circled areas show “slinky” effect common to moving crowds.
Distance courtesy Google.  About 3400 feet.
Width of street is about 111 feet.

Crowd estimate using the standard one person for every 10 square feet (moving crowd) is 34,000-to-40,000 …not 800,000
To provide a reference point, the average NCAA Div I football game had 42,200 paying attendees.  So the parade in Washington DC pulled as many attendees as the average East Carolina, Pittsburgh or UC-Fresno home football game (Source)

—Edited March 27—

I analyzed the shadow of the Washington Monument that was in the un-cropped picture and deduced that the image was taken at approximately 10:45 in the morning.  The shadow is approximately 490 feet long at the time the image was taken.  Since the event did not officially start until noon, and ended after 2:00 PM, the number of attendees was certainly higher than the 34,000-to-40,000 estimated in the blog.
One highly credible source placed the attendance around 180,000.
However, that does not detract from fact that event organizers and the press were trumpeting attendance numbers approaching a million demonstrators at a time when there were 1/25th that number on the ground.
Apologies for any sleep you may have lost.

—End Edit—
Posted by at 11:22 AM 

4 comments:

  1. Now there you go again, using facts… You ‘know’ that’s not politically correct!!! 😀

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  2. It’d be nice if we could zoom in and count number of people within a known area. But even if 5 square feet per person (which would be a dense crowd) is used, the resulting number is still far below what the organizers and media were telling us.

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  3. A professional estimate put the crowd size at approx. 200,000.
    http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/03/25/march-our-lives-dc-crowd-smaller-organizers-estimates-imaging-company-says

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  4. When the Chevy Vega (remember them?) was introduced to the press a young test engineer named Roger M. was asked how many Gs did the Vega pull on the skid pad.
    Roger said, “Let me get back to you.” He consulted his Engineering Handbook and quickly learned that the static coefficient for rubber on dry concrete is 0.80, a number he relayed back to the reporter.
    The press EXPLODED in admiration. The sporty looking Vega had better skid pad performance, as reported by an unnamed expert, than the Chevy Corvette.
    Usually, I trust the experts. But in this case I have a very hard time reconciling THAT image with the professional’s estimate of the crowd.
    Perhaps Daily Mail used a stock image. Perhaps the crowd grew through the day. Maybe the kids were standing on each others shoulders. Perhaps my estimate was a wee bit stingy on the usable width of the street. Perhaps “professional” is not orthogonal to “political”.

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Flashback 30 Years: Guns Were in Schools … and Nothing Happened BY J. CHRISTIAN ADAMS

The millennial generation might be surprised to learn that theirs is the first without guns in school. Just 30 years ago, high school kids rode the bus with rifles and shot their guns at high school rifle ranges.

After another school shooting, it’s time to ask: what changed?

Cross guns off the list of things that changed in thirty years. In 1985, semi-automatic rifles existed, and a semi-automatic rifle was used in Florida. Guns didn’t suddenly decide to visit mayhem on schools. Guns can’t decide.

High school gun range 1985. “Obey instantly all firing line commands.”

We can also cross the Second Amendment off the list. It existed for over 200 years before this wickedness unfolded. Nothing changed in the Constitution.

That leaves us with some uncomfortable possibilities remaining. What has changed from thirty years ago when kids could take firearms into school responsibly and today might involve some difficult truths.

Let’s inventory the possibilities.

What changed? The mainstreaming of nihilism. Cultural decay. Chemicals. The deliberate destruction of moral backstops in the culture. A lost commonality of shared societal pressures to enforce right and wrong. And above all, simple, pure, evil.

 
 

Before you retort that we can’t account for the mentally ill, they existed forever.

Paranoid schizophrenics existed in 1888 and 2018. Mentally ill students weren’t showing up in schools with guns even three decades ago.

So it must be something else.

High school gun range.

Those who have been so busy destroying the moral backstops in our culture won’t want to have this conversation. They’ll do what they do — mock the truth.

There was a time in America, before the Snowflakes, when any adult on the block could reprimand a neighborhood kid who was out of line without fear.

Even thirty years ago, the culture still had invisible restraints developed over centuries. Those restraints, those leveling commonalities, were the target of a half-century of attack by the freewheeling counterculture that has now become the dominant replacement culture.

Hollywood made fun of these restraints in films too numerous to list.

The sixties mantra “don’t trust anyone over thirty” has become a billion-dollar industry devoted to the child always being right — a sometimes deeply medicated brat who disrupts the classroom or escapes what used to be resolved with a paddling.

Instead of telling the kid to quit kicking the back of the seat on a plane, we buy seat guards to protect the seat.
High school gun range, 1984.

If you think it’s bad now, just wait until the generation whose babysitter is an iPhone is in high school. You can hardly walk around WalMart these days without tripping over a toddler in a trance, staring at a screen.

The high school kids who shot rifles in school in 1985 were taught right and wrong. They were taught what to do with their rifle in school, and what not to do.

If they got out of line, all the other students and the coach would have come down on them hard. There were no safe spaces, and that was a good thing.

Culture is a powerful force for good. When good behavior is normalized and deviant destructive behavior is ostracized, shamed, and marginalized, you get more good behavior.

Considering evil in this debate makes some of you uncomfortable, but evil bathes all of these shootings.

I am reminded of Justice Antonin Scalia’s spectacularly funny and profound interview in 2013 when he toyed with a New Yorker reporter about evil. “You travel in circles that are so, so removed from mainstream America that you are appalled that anybody would believe in the Devil!”, he chortled.

Setting targets for rifle shooting inside a high school gun range.

 

Thirty years ago, kids who brought their rifles to the high school shooting range didn’t wonder about evil and cultural decay. They simply lived in a time in America when right and wrong was more starkly defined, where expectations about behavior were clear, and wickedness hadn’t been normalized.

The idea that guns caused the carnage we have faced is so intellectually bankrupt that it is isn’t worth discussing. Remembering where we were as a nation just 30 years ago makes it even more so. It’s time to ask what changed.

High school student with rifle inside high school range.
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Students Stage Walkout in Support of Second Amendment BY RICK MORAN

(Jeremy Long/Lebanon Daily News via AP)

So maybe there is some hope for the next generation after all.

About 75 students at Rockledge High School in central Florida walked out of class in support of the Second Amendment on Friday. The students say they felt “silenced” last week when students walked out in support of gun control.

Fox News:

“I’m pro-Second Amendment,” Rockledge junior and protest organizer Anna Delaney told the station. “I wouldn’t mind deeper background checks, of course, but the Second Amendment will not be infringed upon.”

Many Rockledge students walked out of class March 14 as part of the National School Walkout that was held in support of the Parkland school shooting victims and to protest gun violence and call for new gun control measures. They stood on the football field and formed a huge heart.

About 75 students participated in Friday’s walkout at Rockledge, Florida Today reported. The protest lasted 20 minutes.

They walked onto the schools track carrying the American flag and signs that said “guns don’t kill people, people kill people” and “I support the right to bear arms,” the paper reported. Some wore Trump “Make America Great Again” hats and camouflage clothing.

“We were built on certain rights and that was one of the original rights, that we should have the right to bear arms,” sophomore Chloe Deaton told the group. She helped Delaney organize the walkout.

Zachary Schneider, a junior, was quoted by the paper as saying, “It’s all over the news right now that all students hate guns. I wanted to show that not all students feel that way.”

Rockledge principal Vickie Hickey said the school treated the Second Amendment walkout exactly like it treated the walkout that took place two weeks ago, the paper reported.

She said both events were completely student-driven.

Forgive me if I smell fear from school authorities who knew if they objected to the second protest, the wrath of God would descend upon them.

Flashback 30 Years: Guns Were in Schools … and Nothing Happened

Regardless, what I found interesting is that, apparently, the pro-Second Amendment kids didn’t know what the consequences would be and walked out anyway. Unlike the kids who walked out for gun control knowing that nothing would happen to them, the pro-gun crowd must have felt some trepidation given the attitude of their teachers and classmates.

Bravo to them for standing up for a (currently) unpopular position.