I see that the Gun Termites got to the receiver of the fine old Rifle, PITY!















I see that the Gun Termites got to the receiver of the fine old Rifle, PITY!
Now I would not trade Mrs. Grumpy for one of these outstanding Pistols. But I am sure that she would be mighty nervous before I said ‘Thanks but No Thanks!”.
The other issue would be the Ivory Grips. As I am sure that some jerk out there would make an issue about those silly rules now in place. About if & when you can put some Elephant teeth on your property. Deleted 10,000 word rant about Government over reach and The Nanny State!
Of course it helps if you are a multi Millionaire with a dedicated & 1st rate shop at your disposal too. Yes I am green with envy! – Grumpy
Reichsrevolver Modell M79 | |
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M1879 German Trooper’s Revolver
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Type | Revolver |
Place of origin | German Empire |
Service history | |
In service | 1879–1940s(?) |
Used by | German Empire |
Wars | German colonial conflicts, Boxer Rebellion, World War I, World War II |
Production history | |
Manufacturer | V.C. Schilling & Cie, Spangenberg &SauerC.G. Haenel & Cie, Gebrüder Mauser & Cie, Oberndorf-am-Neckar, and Königliche Gewehrfabrik Erfurt |
Variants | M1883 (5 in barrel) |
Specifications | |
Weight | 2lb 5 oz (1040 g) |
Length | 12.20 in (310 mm) (7 in barrel) |
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Cartridge | 10.6×25mmR |
Caliber | 10.6 mm (.41 in) |
Action | Single action |
Muzzle velocity | 670 ft/s (205 m/s) |
Feed system | 6-round cylinder |
Both models were single-action, solid frame, non-ejecting six-shot revolvers.
The caliber was an indigenous 10.6×25mmR with a medium-length cartridge case, comparable to the contemporary .44 Russian round in size and power.
Loading was via a gate on the revolver’s right side, and the cylinder was released by pulling the hammer to half-cock. Removing empty cartridges could be done by removing the cylinder by withdrawing the axis pin, and then removing the casings by hand.
but in actual practice a separate small rod (stored in the ammunition pouch) was used to push the casings out without having to remove the cylinder.
A unique feature among these revolvers was the safety lever, which was often applied with the hammer resting in the half-cock position.
Most revolvers came with a lanyard ring for attachment to the uniform.
Supposedly these fine looking Sporterized 1903 Springfield’s were owned by the famed Shooting Writer – Col. Townsend Whelen.
(If you get a chance by the way, read some of his stuff as it is still Steel on Target!)
The professor who shot himself in the arm to protest Trump now says that he did it to protest AR-15s. (Metro Nashville Police Department via Getty Images)
Mark Bird, the professor who shot himself in the arm in a university bathroom in protest of President Donald Trump, now says that he actually did it because he wants to ban AR-15s, among other issues.
Bird, a 69-year-old emeritus sociology professor at the College of Southern Nevada, shot himself in the arm on the second day of classes at the college.
After discovering Bird bleeding outside of a bathroom campus, police said that Bird fired the self-inflicted shot to his arm in protest of Trump and his administration’s policies. He had also taped a $100 bill to the bathroom’s mirror for the janitor to apparently compensate for the bloody mess he made inside the facility.
The president of the school’s faculty union issued a statement condemning the way the university handled the incident.
“They never really told the students much about it except that it was resolved on the actual day of the shooting,” Robert Manis told the Las Vegas Review-Journal in a statement.
“When you don’t give the full details, then rumors go crazy. It’s unfortunate because it made the students and faculty very afraid and allowed rumors to proliferate.”
Police charged Bird with “discharging a gun within a prohibited structure, carrying a concealed weapon without a permit and possessing a dangerous weapon on school property.”
Bird was sent to the Clark County Detention Center on a $50,000 bond and has also been banned from returning to the campus.
What’s happening now?
Bird has apologized for the incident, and in letters obtained by Blue Lives Matter has said that he has myriad concerns about gun control, the president, malnutrition, and pollution.
One such letter read:
I sincerely apologize for my behavior today. I was motivated by multiple reasons. A major reason is, derivative of the following October 20, 2017 CBS news story, the Earth had roughly 100 million malnutrition and pollution deaths in the past decade — and the Earth is on a course for at least another 100 million such deaths in the next decade. One hundred million deaths are more than all the military and civilian deaths of [World War II].
A less significant motivation relates to the October 1, 2017 Las Vegas mass shooting from the Mandalay Hotel that killed 58 people. Since this incident, there has been no national legislation banning bump stocks, banning civilian ownership of AR-15 type assault weapons, and the passage of universal gun background checks legislation. Apparently it is about as easy to buy an AR-15 as a 2-shot [D]erringer.
I have sent a longer essay on my motivations to Clark County District Attorney Steve Wolfson and others.
Bird sent the above letter to the school’s president, Federico Zaragoza, and its vice president, Margo Martin.
According to the outlet, police discovered a .22 Derringer two-shot pistol at the scene.
Even down to the Flash Supressor, ..
The M16A2 was adopted by the Marines in 1983, and then by the Army three years later, but all of its development was done, largely on a shoestring, by the Marines
For example, the finger bump on the A2 pistol grip? The very first prototype was built up by a Marine officer on an A1 grip, using plastic wood or body filler! Most of the modifications to the A2 were aimed at:
In a brief overview of the service life of the M16 series for American Rifleman in June, 2012, Martin K.A. Morgan encapsulated this history well:
In November 1983, the U.S. Marine Corps adopted a product-improved version of the M16A1 chambered for the 5.56×45 mm NATO round. The new rifle was called the M16A2 and it differed significantly from its predecessor: improved rear sights, a brass deflector, a heavier barrel and 1:7-inch rifling were among the changes. The M16A2 also replaced the M16A1’s “AUTO” selector setting with a “BURST” setting delivering three rounds with every trigger pull. The Army followed the Marine Corps’ adoption of the improved rifle in March 1986 when it ordered 100,176 M16A2 rifles from Colt. In September 1988, the U.S. government placed an initial order for 266,961 M16A2s with Fabrique Nationale’s North American subsidiary, FN Mfg., Inc. of Columbia, S.C. Late the following year, when 57,000 U.S. military personnel conducted the Operation Just Cause invasion of Panama, the M16A2 was used in combat for the first time.
For practical accuracy, the A2 had new sights, with a square front post; for range, a new round with a heavier bullet, and new rifling to match; and for durability, new stocks and handguards and significant metal reinforcement in the lower receiver’s weak areas, the pivot pin bosses and buffer tower.
[U]se of the M16A2 rifle by the Army would be extremely problematic, a-fact due, in part, to the vast differences between the marksmanship training philosophies of the Army and the Marine Corps.
(The paper is here: http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a168577.pdf)
The Army had been researching improvements to the M16A1 for years, but hadn’t actually implemented any.
A detailed evaluation of M16Al performance was conducted to determine adequacy, peculiarities, etc. The findings clearly indicated that the M16Al was an adequate combat rifle; however, many shortcomings were identified that should be addressed in a new rifle or any rifle Product Improvement Program (PIP).
They considered that the improvements in the A2, listed below, were suitable only for the peculiar circumstances of Marine Corps service.
The Marine Corps test results stated the following advantages for the PIP [Product Improvement Program -Ed.] rifle:
- Ease of training (handling and ease of sight movement).
- Improved safety (no hazard when adjusting elevation on the rear sight even with loaded weapon).
- Increased effectiveness at long ranges (more hits, better accuracy, and greater penetration).
- Improved handling characteristics and durability in hand-to-hand close combat.
- Reduced barrel jump and muzzle climb during automatic and rapid fire.
- Increased contrast and less glare with square front sight post.
- Stronger, more durable and improved grasping characteristics of front handguard.
- Stronger barrel with quicker twist to take advantage of increased effectiveness provided by new ammunition.
- Improved sighting characteristics providing quick target acquisition for moving targets and better detection of targets in low level light conditions at close ranges, and more accurate long range fire by use of two modified rear sight apertures.
- Increased ammunition conservation and more effective use of ammunition with burst control device.
- Conformity to human factors standards by lengthening stock (alleviating bruised eyebrows, noses, and lips).
- Stronger, more durable stock.
- Stronger, more durable buttcap which also reduces slipping on the shoulder during firing.
- More controllable and comfortable pistol grip contoured to the shape of the hand.
- Improved brass deflector which protects left handed shooters from hot ejected brass casings.
- Can use NATO type improved ammunition (XM855) which provides improved performance and penetration at long ranges.
The Army evaluators were impressed by that list of solutions, but thought they all traced back to four specific USMC objectives or requirements:
The above list of advantages is very impressive. It appears that the rifle meets the primary requirements stated by the Marines:
- A sight adjustable to 800 meters.
- A bullet with better accuracy at 800 meters and the capability to penetrate all known helmets and body armor at ranges of 800 meters.
- A rifle with more durable plastic parts and barrel which will take a beating during bayonet training and extended field exercises.
- The replacement of the full automatic capability with a burst mode which fires a maximum of three rounds with each pull of the trigger.
…but they thought that the requirements were too Marine-centric.
The list, however, represents the objective and subjective evaluation of Marine Corps personnel who are emphasizing the most positive aspects of rifle characteristics as they pertain to envisioned Marine Corps requirements.
This is the first of a three part series. In the second part, tomorrow on WeaponsMan.com, the Army contractors damn the A2 with faint praise and list a litany of A1 shortcomings that they believed that the A2 did not resolve.
As we recounted in yesterday’s post, the Army let a contract to analyze the Marines’ product-improved M16A1, originally called the M16 PIP (Product Improvement Program but in November 1983, type-classified as the M16A2. Did the A2 meet the Army’s needs for an improved rifle?
The M16A2 rifle was developed and tested by the U.S. Marine Corps. The purpose of this present analysis was to evaluate M16A2 rifle features as they relate to U.S. Army training and combat requirements.
It was found that the M16A2 did not correct major shortcomings in the MI6Al and that many M16A2 features would be very problematic for the Army. Accordingly, this report provides several suggested rifle modifications which would improve training and combat performance.
The A1 shortcomings that the paper’s authors thought went unameliorated, or were worsened, by the A2 included:
- 25 Meter Setting: The M16A2 does not have a sight setting for firing at 25 meters, where zeroing and most practice firing occurs.
- Battlesight Zero: The M16A2 does not have a setting for battlesight zero, i.e., 250 meters.
- Aperture Size: The M16A2 probably does not have an aperture suitable for the battlesight, e.g., the single aperture used for most marksmanship training, the record fire course, the primary aperture for combat, etc. The 5mm aperture used for 0-200 meters is probably too large and the 1-3/4mm aperture used for 300-800 meters is probably too small.
- Sighting System: The M16A2 sighting system is too complex, i.e., elevation is changed three different ways, leaving too much room for soldier error.
- Sight Movement: Sight movements on the M16A2 result in changing bullet strike by different amounts; .5, 1, 1.4, and 3 minutes of angle (MOA)*. The sights intended for zeroing, .5 and 1.4 MOA, are not compatible with old Army zero targets or the new targets being fielded.
- Zero Recording: The M16A2 does not have a sighting system which allows for easy recording of rifle zero. Also, the zero cannot be confirmed by visual inspection.
- Returning to Zero: The M16A2 does not have a reliable procedure for setting an individual’s zero after changing sights for any reason, e.g., using MILES or .22 rimfire adaptors.
- Night Sight: The M16A2 does not have a low light level or night sight.
- Protective Mask Firing: The M16A2 has not been designed to aid firing while wearing a protective mask.
- Range Estimation: The M16A2 sight has not been designed to aid in the estimation of range
Let’s consider those, briefly. Note that every single one of those objections relates to the sights. There are no complaints about the other Marine improvements (not even the hated burst switch).
This is the third of a three part series. In the first part, Thursday on WeaponsMan.com, the Army contractors noted the specific solutions implemented on the A2 and the problems the Marines solved thereby, but complained that the problems and solutions were too USMC-specific.
We should note that the Marines’ tests, as reported in this document (p,7), demonstrated significantly lower reliability, and increased fouling in the A2 compared to its older brother. These tests are suspect because the early lot of XM855 used was considered bad ammo, but the M16A1 did outperform the A2.
Thirty Ml6A1 rifles firing 26,010 rounds of M193Failures to fire – none
Failures to feed – 3 (Not locking magazine in place)Thirty M16A2 rifles firing 26,010 rounds of XM855
Failures to fire – 52 (27 – bad ammunition) (25 – mechnanical [sic] malfunctions)
Failures to feed – 3 (Improperly loaded magazines)
Those failures to fire that were not attributed to bad ammo were thought to be caused by the A2 trigger system’s Achilles’s heel, the burst trigger mechanism.
The M16A2 has less combat capability due to the elimination of full automatic fire. Full automatic fire enhances the ability of Army units to clear and defend buildings, to conduct final assaults on enemy positions, to defend against an enemy final assault, to conduct an ambush, to react to an enemy ambush, to engage an enemy helicopter or fast moving vehicle, etc.While the Marines claim greater accuracy and conservation of ammunition for the 3-round burst control, no data were generated during the test to support these contentions and no supportative [sic] data are known to exist.Also, it should be noted that room-to-room fighting was conducted with blanks, no close-in firing was conducted, no firing with short time limits was conducted, no firing at aircraft was conducted, etc.In other words, for all of the automatic/burst firing conducted during the test, a semi-automatic mode of fire would have probably resulted in a greater number of target hits.Finally, to be given very serious consideration, is the fact that the burst control requires nine (9) new parts in the lower receiver, evidently contributing to the large number of weapon malfunctions during testing of the M16A2.
They also took issue with the heavy barrel (“heavy in the wrong place”), the twist rate (preferred 1:9), stock length increased when even the A1 stock was too long for small soldiers, and the fast twist’s incompatibility with the .22 subcaliber system.
Item | Recommended |
Front sight (day) | Fixed blade, 0.090″ |
Front sight (night) | Luminous dot on each sightguard |
Rear Sight (day) | single 2mm peep. A single elevation knob marked for 200, 250, 390, 25, 400, 500, 15, 600, 700, and 800 meters. Windage knob at rear. Each click equal to 1 MOA |
Rear Sight (night) | Two luminous dots on upper portion of receiver (or a single flip- up luminous dot located forward of the carrying handle) are aligned with front dots for shooting at night |
Zero Recording | Yes |
Zero Inspection | Yes |
25m setting (day and night sights) | Yes |
Mechanical Zero | Yes |
250-m battlesight | Yes |
Firing mode | Semi and Auto |
Barrel | 20″. Slightly heavier than A1 at receiver and mid-barrel. 1:9″ twist |
Handguard | Same as M16A2 except held in place with a securely fastened ring nut to provide rigidity. |
Buttstock | Same material as M16A2. Same length as M16A1. Option for adjustable length. |
Anyways I think that it looks kinda cute. In a very sinister & scary way!
What we have here is one of the first attempts By S&W to have a pocket size metal cartridge pistols. For the Folks who did’t or couldn’t carry a full size pistol for their well being. Grumpy