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The Webley Pistol

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Now my Greatly Missed Late Grandmother Alice. Who was a  LTC US Navy of the Nurse Corp & a WWII Veteran. She was also on Guam during the war. Then Retired after 20+ years of service. (May God take really good care of her!)
Graciously gave me my late Grandfather’s Shaved Webley Revolver. Another real character by the way. But that is another story for another day.
Where it resides in a place of honor in my gun collection by the way. I have never shoot it as it is too tired I think. But I can see that it was a real bruiser in its day.
Here is what I found out about it. Like an English Bulldog it is low, slow and full of teeth Image result for English Bulldog

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Webley-Fosbery Automatic Revolver
Here is some more information about this really ugly gun but useful gun.

Webley Revolver

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Webley Mk VI Revolver
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Type ServiceRevolver
Place of origin British Empire
Service history
In service 1887–1963
Used by See Users
Wars Second Boer War
World War I
Easter Rising
Irish War of Independence
Irish Civil War
World War II
Indonesian National Revolution
Korean War
British colonial conflicts
The Troubles
Irish Republican freedom fighters
numerous others
Production history
Designer Webley & Scott
Designed 1887
Manufacturer Webley & Scott, RSAF Enfield
Produced 1887–1923
No. built approx 125,000
Weight 2.4 lb (1.1 kg), unloaded
Length 11.25 in. (286 mm)
Barrel length 4.17 in. (106 mm)

Cartridge .455 Webley Mk II
Calibre .455 (11.6 mm)
Action Double Action revolver
Rate of fire 20–30 rounds/minute
Muzzle velocity 620 ft/s (190 m/s)
Effective firing range 50 yd
Feed system 6-round cylinder
Sights Fixed front blade and rear notch

The Webley Revolver (also known as the Webley Top-Break Revolver or Webley Self-Extracting Revolver ) was, in various marks, a standard issue service pistol for the armed forces of the United Kingdom, and the British Empire and Commonwealth, from 1887 until 1963.
The Webley is a top-break revolver and breaking the revolver operates the extractor, which removes cartridges from the cylinder.
The Webley Mk I service revolver was adopted in 1887 and the Mk IV, rose to prominence during the Boer War of 1899–1902. The Mk VI, introduced in 1915 during the First World War, is perhaps the best-known model.
Firing large .455 Webley cartridges, Webley service revolvers are among the most powerful top-break revolvers ever produced.
The .455 calibre Webley is no longer in military service but the .38/200Webley Mk IV variant is still in use as a police sidearm in a number of countries.[1]
With a modified, “shaved” cylinder and the use of a half moon clip, the Webley Mk VI can fire the 45 ACP cartridge,[2]although overpressure or +P .45 ACP cartridges exceed Webley proof loads and should not be used.[3]
Many Webley Mk VIs were converted to fire 45 ACP ammunition after the remaining .455 Webley ammunition dwindled.



The British company Webley & Scott (P. Webley & Son before merger with W & C Scott in 1897) produced a range of revolvers from the mid 19th to late 20th centuries.
As early as 1853 P. Webley and J. Webley began production of their first patented single action cap and ball revolvers. Later under the trade name of P. Webley and Son, manufacturing included their own .44-caliber rim-fire solid frame revolver as well as licensed copies of Smith & Wesson’s Tip up break action revolvers.
The quintessential hinged frame, centerfire revolvers for which the Webley name is best known first began production/development in the early 1870s most notably with the Webley-Pryse (1877) and Webley-Kaufman (1881) models.
The W.G. or Webley-Government models produced from 1885 through to the early 1900s, (often incorrectly referred to as the Webley-Green) are the most popular of the commercial top break revolvers and many were the private purchase choice of English military officers and target shooters in the period, coming in a .476/.455 calibre.
However other short-barrel solid-frame revolvers, including the Webley RIC (Royal Irish Constabulary) model and the British Bulldog revolver, designed to be carried in a coat pocket for self-defence were far more commonplace during the period.
Today, undoubtedly best-known are the range of military revolvers, which were in service use across two World Wars and numerous colonial conflicts.[4][5]
In 1887, the British Army was searching for a revolver to replace the largely unsatisfactory .476 Enfield Mk I & Mk II Revolvers, the Enfield having only replaced the solid frame Adams .450 revolver which was a late 1860s conversion of the cap and ball Beaumont–Adams revolver in 1880.
Webley & Scott, who were already very well known makers of quality guns and had sold many pistols on a commercial basis to military officers and civilians alike, tendered the .455 calibre Webley Self-Extracting Revolver for trials.
The military was suitably impressed with the revolver (it was seen as a vast improvement over the Enfield revolvers then in service, which American designed Owen extraction system did not prove particularly satisfactory in service), and it was adopted on 8 November 1887 as the “Pistol, Webley, Mk I”.[6]
The initial contract called for 10,000 Webley revolvers, at a price of £3/1/1 each, with at least 2,000 revolvers to be supplied within eight months.[7]
The Webley revolver went through a number of changes, culminating in the Mk VI, which was in production between 1915 and 1923. The large .455 Webley revolvers were retired in 1947, although the Webley Mk IV .38/200 remained in service until 1963 alongside the Enfield No. 2 Mk I revolver.
Commercial versions of all Webley service revolvers were also sold on the civilian market, along with a number of similar designs (such as the Webley-Government and Webley-Wilkinson) that were not officially adopted for service, but were nonetheless purchased privately by military officers.
The Webley records show the last Mk VI being sold from the factory being in 1957 with “Nigeria” noted against the entry.

Webley revolvers in military service

Boer War

The Webley Mk IV, chambered in .455 Webley, was introduced in 1899 and soon became known as the “Boer WarModel”,[8] on account of the large numbers of officers and non-commissioned officers who purchased it on their way to take part in the conflict.
The Webley Mk IV served alongside a large number of other handguns, including the Mauser C96 “Broomhandle” (as used by Winston Churchill during the War), earlier Beaumont–Adams cartridge revolvers, and other top-break revolvers manufactured by gunmakers such as William Tranter, and Kynoch.

First World War

The standard-issue Webley revolver at the outbreak of the First World War was the Webley Mk V (adopted 9 December 1913[9]), but there were considerably more Mk IV revolvers in service in 1914,[10] as the initial order for 20,000 Mk V revolvers had not been completed when hostilities began.[11]
On 24 May 1915, the Webley Mk VI was adopted as the standard sidearm for British and Commonwealth troops[11] and remained so for the duration of the First World War, being issued to officers, airmen, naval crews, boarding parties, trench raiders, machine-gun teams, and tank crews.
The Mk VI proved to be a very reliable and hardy weapon, well suited to the mud and adverse conditions of trench warfare, and several accessories were developed for the Mk VI, including a bayonet (made from a converted French Gras bayonet),[12]speedloader devices (the “Prideaux Device” and the Watson design),[13][14][15] and a stock allowing for the revolver to be converted into a carbine.[16]
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Demand exceeded production, which was already behind as the war began.
This forced the British government to buy substitute weapons chambered in .455 Webley from neutral countries. America provided the Smith & Wesson 2nd Model “Hand Ejector” and Colt New Service Revolvers.
Spanish gunsmiths in Eibar made decent-quality copies of popular guns and were tapped to cheaply close the gap by making a .455 variant of their 11mm M1884 or “S&W Model 7 ONÁ” revolver, a copy of the Smith & Wesson .44 Double Action First Model.
The Pistol, Revolver, Old Pattern, No. 1 Mk. 1 was by Garate, Anitua y Cia. and the Pistol, Revolver, Old Pattern, No.2 Mk.1 was by Trocaola, Aranzabal y Cia.Orbea Hermanos y Cia. made 10,000 pistols. Rexach & Urgoite was tapped for an initial order of 500 revolvers, but they were rejected due to defects.

Second World War

Webley Mk IV in .38

The official service pistol for the British military during the Second World War was the Enfield No. 2 Mk I .38/200 calibre revolver,.[17]
Owing to a critical shortage of handguns, a number of other weapons were also adopted (first practically, then officially) to alleviate the shortage. As a result, both the Webley Mk IV in .38/200 and Webley Mk VI in .455 calibre were issued to personnel during the war.[18]


The Webley Mk VI (.455) and Mk IV (.38/200) revolvers were still issued to British and Commonwealth Forces after the Second World War; there were now extensive stockpiles of the revolvers in military stores.
An armourer stationed in West Germany recalled (admittedly tongue-in-cheek) that by the time they were officially retired in 1963, the ammunition allowance was “two cartridges per man, per year.”
This lack of ammunition was instrumental in keeping the Enfield and Webley revolvers in use so long: they were not wearing out because they were not being used.[19]
The Webley Mk IV .38 revolver was not completely replaced by the Browning Hi-Power until 1963, and saw use in the Korean War, the Suez CrisisMalayan Emergency, and the Rhodesian Bush War.
Many Enfield No. 2 Mk I revolvers were still circulating in British Military service as late as 1970.[20]

Police use

The Hong Kong Police and Singapore Police Force were issued Webley Mk III & Mk IV (38S&W then.38/200 – Never use 38/200 in a Webley Mark III proofed for black powder 38S&W only) revolvers from the 1930s.
Singaporean police (and some other “officials”) Webleys were equipped with safety catches, a rather unusual feature in a revolver.
These were gradually retired in the 1970s as they came in for repair, and were replaced with Smith & Wesson Model 10 .38 revolvers.
The London Metropolitan Police were also known to use Webley revolvers, as were most colonial police units until just after the Second World War.
There may still be some police units with Webley Mk IV revolvers that, whilst not issued, are still present in the armoury.
The Ordnance Factory Board of India still manufactures .380 Revolver Mk IIz cartridges,[21] as well as a .32 calibrerevolver (the IOF .32 Revolver) with 2-inch (51 mm) barrel which is clearly based on the Webley Mk IV .38 service pistol.[22]

Military service .455 Webley revolver marks and models

There were six different marks of .455 calibre Webley British Government Model revolvers approved for British military service at various times between 1887 and the end of the First World War:

  • Mk I: The first Webley self-extracting revolver adopted for service, officially adopted 8 November 1887, with a 4-inch (100 mm) barrel and “bird’s beak” style grips. Mk I* was a factory upgrade of Mk I revolvers to match the Mk II.
  • Mk II: Similar to the Mk I, with modifications to the hammer and grip shape, as well as a hardened steel shield for the blast-shield. Officially adopted 21 May 1895, with a 4-inch (100 mm) barrel.[23]
  • Mk III: Identical to Mk II, but with modifications to the cylinder cam and related parts. Officially adopted 5 October 1897, most not issued, with exception of a number that were marked with the “broad arrow” acceptance stamp on the top strap. These few went to Royal Navy Service.[24]
  • Mk IV: The “Boer War” Model. Manufactured using much higher quality steel and case hardened parts, with the cylinder axis being a fixed part of the barrel and modifications to various other parts, including a re-designed blast-shield. Officially adopted 21 July 1899, with a 4-inch (100 mm) barrel.[25]
  • Mk V: Similar to the Mk IV, but with cylinders 0.12-inch (3.0 mm) wider to allow for the use of nitrocellulose propellant-based cartridges. Officially adopted 9 December 1913, with a 4-inch (100 mm) barrel, although some models produced in 1915 had 5-inch (130 mm) and 6-inch (150 mm) barrels.[26]
  • Mk VI: Similar to the Mk V, but with a squared-off “target” style grip (as opposed to the “bird’s-beak” style found on earlier marks and models) and a 6-inch (150 mm) barrel. Officially adopted 24 May 1915,[27] and also manufactured by RSAF Enfield under the designation Pistol, Revolver, Webley, No. 1 Mk VI 1921–1926.[28]

The Webley Mk IV .38/200 Service Revolver

Webley Mk IV .38/200 Service Revolver
Type Service revolver
Place of origin British Empire
Service history
In service 1932–1963
Used by United Kingdom & ColoniesBritish Commonwealth,
Wars Second World War, Korean War, British colonial conflicts, numerous others
Production history
Designer Webley & Scott
Designed 1932
Manufacturer Webley & Scott
Produced 1932–1978
No. built approx. 500,000
Weight 2.4 lb (1.1 kg), unloaded
Length 10.25 in (266 mm)

Cartridge .380″ Revolver Mk IIz
Calibre .38 (9 mm)
Action Double Action revolver
Rate of fire 20–30 rounds/minute
Muzzle velocity 620 ft/s (190 m/s)
Effective firing range 50 yd (46 m)
Maximum firing range 300 yd (270 m)
Feed system 6-round cylinder
Sights fixed front post and rear notch

At the end of the First World War, the British military decided that the .455 calibre gun and cartridge was too large for modern military use and—after numerous tests and extensive trials—that a pistol in .38 calibre firing a 200-grain (13 g) bullet would be just as effective as the .455 for stopping an enemy.[29]
Webley & Scott immediately tendered the .38/200 calibre Webley Mk IV revolver, which as well as being nearly identical in appearance to the .455 calibre Mk VI revolver (albeit scaled down for the smaller cartridge), was based on their .38 calibre Webley Mk III pistol, designed for the police and civilian markets.[30]
Much to their surprise, the British Government took the design to the Royal Small Arms Factory at Enfield Lock, which came up with a revolver that was externally very similar looking to the .38/200 calibre Webley Mk IV, but was internally different enough that no parts from the Webley could be used in the Enfield and vice versa.
The Enfield-designed pistol was quickly accepted under the designation Pistol, Revolver, No. 2 Mk I, and was adopted in 1932,[31]followed in 1938 by the Mk I* (spurless hammer, double action only),[32] and finally the Mk I** (simplified for wartime production) in 1942.[33]
Webley & Scott sued the British Government over the incident, claiming £2250 as “costs involved in the research and design” of the revolver.
This was contested by RSAF Enfield, which quite firmly stated that the Enfield No. 2 Mk I was designed by Captain Boys (the Assistant Superintendent of Design, later of Boys Anti-Tank Rifle fame) with assistance from Webley & Scott, and not the other way around. Accordingly, their claim was denied.
By way of compensation, the Royal Commission on Awards to Inventors eventually awarded Webley & Scott £1250 for their work.[34]
RSAF Enfield proved unable to manufacture enough No. 2 revolvers to meet the military’s wartime demands, and as a result Webley’s Mk IV was also widely used within the British Army in World War Two.

Other well-known Webley Revolvers

Whilst the top-break, self-extracting revolvers used by the British and Commonwealth militaries are the best-known examples of Webley Revolvers, the company produced a number of other highly popular revolvers largely intended for the police and civilian markets.

Webley RIC

Webley Royal Irish Constabulary Revolver

The Webley RIC (Royal Irish Constabulary) model was Webley’s first double-action revolver, and adopted by the RIC in 1868,[35] hence the name.
It was a solid frame, gate-loaded revolver, chambered in .442 Webley. General George Armstrong Custer was known to have owned a pair, which he is believed to have used at the Battle of the Little Bighorn in 1876.[36][37]
A small number of early examples were produced in the huge .500 Tranter calibre, and later models were available chambered for the .450 Adams and other cartridges. They were also widely copied in Belgium.

British Bull Dog

The British Bull Dog model was an enormously successful solid-frame design introduced by Webley in 1872. It featured a 2.5-inch (64 mm) barrel and was chambered for five .44 Short Rimfire, .442 Webley, or .450 Adams cartridges.
A .44 calibre Belgian-made British Bulldog revolver was used to assassinate US President James Garfield on July 2, 1881 by Charles Guiteau. (Webley later added smaller scaled five chambered versions in .320 and .380 calibres, but did not mark them British Bulldog.)
It was designed to be carried in a coat pocket or kept on a night-stand, and many have survived to the present day in good condition, having seen little actual use.[38]
Numerous copies of this design were made during the late 19th century in Belgium, with smaller numbers also produced in Spain, France and the USA.[39]
They remained reasonably popular until the Second World War, but are now generally sought after only as collectors’ pieces, since ammunition for them is for the most part no longer commercially manufactured.

Webley-Fosbery Automatic Revolver

A highly unusual example of an “automatic revolver”, the Webley-Fosbery Automatic Revolver was produced between 1900 and 1915, and available in both a six-shot .455 Webley version, and an eight-shot .38 ACP (not to be confused with .380 ACP) version.[40]
Unusually for a revolver, the Webley-Fosbery had a safety catch, and the light trigger pull, solid design, and reputation for accuracy ensured that the Webley-Fosbery remained popular with target shooters long after production had finished.[41][42]


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