I still can not believe what Folks do to their firearms ! But I guess it is still a Semi- Free Country for the time being.
Category: Grumpy’s hall of Shame
Sorry Guys but this is one of the Ugliest Rifles that I have ever seen! Which is really surprising to me. As The Italians almost always led the way in Style. Go figure!
Here below is some more information about this critter!
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Vetterli-Vitali rifle M1870/87
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| Type | Bolt-action rifle |
| Place of origin |  Kingdom of Italy |
| Service history | |
| In service | 1870-1941 (at least) |
| Used by | Kingdom of Italy |
| Wars | First Italo-Ethiopian War Boxer Rebellion World War I Second Italo-Ethiopian War Spanish Civil War |
| Production history | |
| Variants | M1870/87 and M1870/87/15 |
| Specifications | |
| Weight | M1870/87: 10.19 lb (4.62 kg) M1870/87/15: 10.19 lb (4.62 kg) |
| Length | 52.95 in (134.5 cm) |
| Barrel length | 33.85 in (86.0 cm) |
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| Cartridge | M1870/87: 10.4×47mmR M1870/87/15: 6.5×52mm Carcano |
| Action | Bolt-action |
| Muzzle velocity | M1870/87: 1,410 ft/s (430 m/s) M1870/87/15: 2,395 ft/s (730 m/s) |
| Effective firing range | M1870/87: 2,000 m (2,200 yd) M1870/87/15: 2,000 m (2,200 yd) |
| Feed system | M1870: single shot M1870/87: 4 round magazine M1870/87/15: 6 round magazine |
The M1870 Vetterli was the Italian service rifle from 1870-1887, when it was gradually replaced with the M1870/87 Italian Vetterli-Vitali variant. The M1870 was a single-shot bolt action rifle chambered for the 10.4mm Vetterli centrefire cartridge, at first loaded with black powder and later with smokeless powder. The M1870 was based upon the M1869 Swiss Vetterli but simplified for economy.
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M1870/87[edit]
- 10.4mm Fucile di Fanteria, Modello 1870/87 Vetterli-Vitali
In 1887 (until 1896), the Italian Army began converting the M1870 to a four-shot repeating rifle, based on the system designed by Italian artillery captain, G. Vitali. This conversion added a box magazine fed from a Swiss-style fabricated steel and wood stripper clip holding four cartridges, in the same caliber (10.4x47R mm) as before. The clip is pressed into the magazine, until the last round catches under the Cartridge retainer, and then the clip is withdrawn using the “pull string” in the top wooden frame of the clip. Clips of cartridges were supplied in a soldered sheet steel box, holding six clips.
The conversion to the Vitali magazine was done on the long rifle, the TS (special troops musketoon) and possibly some of the Carabinieri carbines; No Vitali conversions were done to the Moschetto da Cavalleria for metropolitan Italian troops. In 1888, the Fondo Coloniale (Eritrea) requested 500 Vitali-converted Vetterli cavalry carbines for the Eritrean Native Cavalry (“spahi“—Swahili for “horse-soldier”). There are currently five known examples still in existence ( one in Australia, two in the US, two in Italy). Collectors refer to it as the M1870/88 V.V.Eritrean cav carbine. The Regio Esercito (Royal Army) Cavalry units maintained the M1870 single shot Moschetto da cavalleria until replaced by the M1891 Moschetto da cavalleria, in 1893.
The conversion is indicted by a cartouche “Artig. Fab. D’armi Terni 1888” (dates vary), on the butt stock. The center of the cartouche displays a Crest of Savoy and the word, Riparazione (Italian for repair) is directly below the cartouche. Shortages of small arms appeared from the very beginning of Italy’s entrance into World War I on the side of the Allies.
As more of the population mobilized for the first total war in European history, the supply of modern small arms fell short before the end of 1915 and a large number of obsolete Modello 1870/87 Vetterli-Vital were issued to newly formed regiments that were not expected to be in combat, however, troops carried these antiquated rifles into battle on several occasions.
As well, in 1916, Italy sent a large number of Vetterli-Vitali rifles to Russia; ammunition and components were contracted for by Britain to the Remington Armory. These “tsarist” rifles eventually ended up in Republican hands in the Spanish Civil War, as the Soviet Union emptied its depots of all the old black powder and early smokeless rifles it had inherited after the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917.
M1870/87/15[edit]
During World War I, many M1870/87 rifles were converted to share the same 6.5mm smokeless powder round as the primary service rifle, the Carcano, by adding a 6.5mm barrel lining and a modified M91 Carcano magazine. The barrel sleeving was called the “Salerno method”; The bolt face was also machined to accept the smaller diameter 6.5 mm cartridge head, and the firing pin shortened. These conversions were used for rear echelon troops (guards, training, etc.) and were rarely, if at all, fired with standard 6.5 mm military ball ammunition. After WWI, many of these rifles were assigned to the colonies of Tripolitania, Fezzan and Cyrenaica (Libya) and also to Eritrea and Somalia, again, as rarely-fired training rifles. These rifles were used again in the Second Italo-Ethiopian War, mostly by native African soldiers.[1]
It is considered by knowledgeable collectors[who?] that due to the rifle’s age and general condition (manufactured in 1870-1890s) and converted twice (1887-90s and again 1915-16), that the black powder technology of the Vetterli design is not suitable for repeated use (i.e. intense combat use) with normal Italian ball ammunition of 6.5 mm, or its present-day commercial equivalent. Even back in the 1920s, anecdotal accounts of Salerno sleeves loosening under “hot” fire (they were soft-soldered in place) and subsequent “blow-by” experience since the 1950s appearance of these rifles as surplus has led to safety concerns.[2]
Comparison with contemporary rifles[edit]
| Calibre | System | Country | Velocity | Height of trajectory | Ammunition | ||||||||
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| Muzzle | 500 yd (460 m) | 1,000 yd (910 m) | 1,500 yd (1,400 m) | 2,000 yd (1,800 m) | 500 yd (460 m) | 1,000 yd (910 m) | 1,500 yd (1,400 m) | 2,000 yd (1,800 m) | Propellant | Bullet | |||
| .433 in (11.0 mm) | Werndl–Holub rifle | Austria-Hungary | 1,439 ft/s (439 m/s) | 854 ft/s (260 m/s) | 620 ft/s (190 m/s) | 449 ft/s (137 m/s) | 328 ft/s (100 m/s) | 8.252 ft (2.515 m) | 49.41 ft (15.06 m) | 162.6 ft (49.6 m) | 426.0 ft (129.8 m) | 77 gr (5.0 g) | 370 gr (24 g) |
| .45 in (11.43 mm) | Martini–Henry | United Kingdom | 1,315 ft/s (401 m/s) | 869 ft/s (265 m/s) | 664 ft/s (202 m/s) | 508 ft/s (155 m/s) | 389 ft/s (119 m/s) | 9.594 ft (2.924 m) | 47.90 ft (14.60 m) | 147.1 ft (44.8 m) | 357.85 ft (109.07 m) | 85 gr (5.5 g) | 480 gr (31 g) |
| .433 in (11.0 mm) | Fusil Gras mle 1874 | France | 1,489 ft/s (454 m/s) | 878 ft/s (268 m/s) | 643 ft/s (196 m/s) | 471 ft/s (144 m/s) | 348 ft/s (106 m/s) | 7.769 ft (2.368 m) | 46.6 ft (14.2 m) | 151.8 ft (46.3 m) | 389.9 ft (118.8 m) | 80 gr (5.2 g) | 386 gr (25.0 g) |
| .433 in (11.0 mm) | Mauser Model 1871 | Germany | 1,430 ft/s (440 m/s) | 859 ft/s (262 m/s) | 629 ft/s (192 m/s) | 459 ft/s (140 m/s) | 388 ft/s (118 m/s) | 8.249 ft (2.514 m) | 48.68 ft (14.84 m) | 159.2 ft (48.5 m) | 411.1 ft (125.3 m) | 75 gr (4.9 g) | 380 gr (25 g) |
| .408 in (10.4 mm) | M1870 Italian Vetterli | Italy | 1,430 ft/s (440 m/s) | 835 ft/s (255 m/s) | 595 ft/s (181 m/s) | 422 ft/s (129 m/s) | 304 ft/s (93 m/s) | 8.527 ft (2.599 m) | 52.17 ft (15.90 m) | 176.3 ft (53.7 m) | 469.9 ft (143.2 m) | 62 gr (4.0 g) | 310 gr (20 g) |
| .397 in (10.08 mm) | Jarmann M1884 | Norway and Sweden | 1,536 ft/s (468 m/s) | 908 ft/s (277 m/s) | 675 ft/s (206 m/s) | 504 ft/s (154 m/s) | 377 ft/s (115 m/s) | 7.235 ft (2.205 m) | 42.97 ft (13.10 m) | 137.6 ft (41.9 m) | 348.5 ft (106.2 m) | 77 gr (5.0 g) | 337 gr (21.8 g) |
| .42 in (10.67 mm) | Berdan rifle | Russia | 1,444 ft/s (440 m/s) | 873 ft/s (266 m/s) | 645 ft/s (197 m/s) | 476 ft/s (145 m/s) | 353 ft/s (108 m/s) | 7.995 ft (2.437 m) | 47.01 ft (14.33 m) | 151.7 ft (46.2 m) | 388.7 ft (118.5 m) | 77 gr (5.0 g) | 370 gr (24 g) |
| .45 in (11.43 mm) | Springfield model 1884 | United States | 1,301 ft/s (397 m/s) | 875 ft/s (267 m/s) | 676 ft/s (206 m/s) | 523 ft/s (159 m/s) | 404 ft/s (123 m/s) | 8.574 ft (2.613 m) | 46.88 ft (14.29 m) | 142.3 ft (43.4 m) | 343.0 ft (104.5 m) | 70 gr (4.5 g) | 500 gr (32 g) |
| .40 in (10.16 mm) | Enfield-Martini | United Kingdom | 1,570 ft/s (480 m/s) | 947 ft/s (289 m/s) | 719 ft/s (219 m/s) | 553 ft/s (169 m/s) | 424 ft/s (129 m/s) | 6.704 ft (2.043 m) | 39.00 ft (11.89 m) | 122.0 ft (37.2 m) | 298.47 ft (90.97 m) | 85 gr (5.5 g) | 384 gr (24.9 g) |
Gallery[edit]
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Bayonet and scabbard -
M.70 cartridge -
M.90 cartridge
Sources[edit]
- Italian Vetterli MILITARY RIFLES IN THE AGE OF TRANSITION
- M1870/87 Italian Vetterli-Vitali MILITARY RIFLES IN THE AGE OF TRANSITION
For the specifications and the service history of the Italian Vetterli-Vitali rifles. M1870/87 and the M1870/87/15: http://milpas.cc/rifles/ZFiles/Italian%20Rifles/The%20ITALIAN%20VETTERLI-VITALI%20RIFLES/VETTERLI-VITALI%20M1870%20MOSCHETTO%20CAVALRY%20CARBINE.wps.htm#MODEL_18708715_RIFLE, en:First Italo-Ethiopian War, Battaglia_dell’Amba_Alagi, Battaglia_di_Adua, Vetterli-Vitali_Mod._1870/87, Vetterli-Vitali_Mod._1870/87/15, http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=156589 Italian forces in the Boxer Rebellion.
For amendments and additions (July 2, 2015) Typographical, Vitali clip design and function, Eritrean Cav.Carbine, Salerno method, Safety of Ball 6,5 ammunition: Personal examination and research by Dr. Astrid M.Vallati MD, JD. (DocAV) AV Ballistics Technical and Forensic Services, Brisbane, Australia. Rifles examined: M1870/87 Long Rifle, ex-Tsarist Russia, ex SCW; Moschetto TS M1870/87 AOI marked; Moschetto Cavalleria Eritrea M1870/88: Provenance Confirmed, Bringback to Australia, in 1928, by Surveyor-Gen. of Sudan; Acquired from grandson of same in 1990s, with Certificate of Sudan Service. Fucile M70/87/15 Cal. 6,5mm.
References[edit]
- Jump up^ http://candrsenal.com/rifle-italian-vetterli-carcano-m708715/ C&Rsenal
- Jump up^ https://gunsmagazine.com/emergency-stopgap/ Guns Magazine
- Jump up^ “The New Martini-Enfield Rifle” (PDF). The Engineer. 2 July 1886. p. 16. Retrieved 3 April 2017 – via Grace’s Guide to British Industrial History.
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Both Teachers’ Unions Oppose Bill That Would Make Sex with Students a Crime
Yesterday at a hearing for a bill (HB 5817) that would make sex between school employees and students a crime—even after they’ve turned 16, the legal age of consent in Rhode Island—both teachers’ unions made their objections known. NEA RI didn’t have anyone testify but Pat Crowley did sign in to the hearing and note his opposition to the bill. I suspect the NEA also submitted written testimony. James Parisi of the United Federation of Teachers (UFT) did testify—in fact, we sat beside one another, each offering our very different opinions on the bill.
As it currently stands, Rhode Island is one of a few states where it is perfectly legal for teachers and other school employees to have sexual relations with their students once they turn 16. It’s literally a dirty little secret—almost no one seems to be aware of this loophole in the law and yet it leaves high school students without any protection from those who would sexually abuse them after their 16th birthday. We are also a state who, after a year long investigation by USA Today, received a grade of D for how well we track and share information about teachers who are also alleged abusers.
As it currently stands, Rhode Island is one of a few states where it is perfectly legal for teachers and other school employees to have sexual relations with their students once they turn 16. It’s literally a dirty little secret—almost no one seems to be aware of this loophole in the law and yet it leaves high school students without any protection from those who would sexually abuse them after their 16th birthday. We are also a state who, after a year long investigation by USA Today, received a grade of D for how well we track and share information about teachers who are also alleged abusers.
Your odd news for the day. Hunter shoots man in the abdominal region after mistaking him for a coyote.
The news often has some bizarre stories. This story is will leave many scratching their heads.
Of course, hunting accidents happen all the time, but don’t hear about one like this too often. A coyote hunter in New York has just been charged with second degree assault for what he says was an accidental shooting of another man while hunting coyotes.
Monroe County Sheriff’s Deputies said Brett Blackburn, 42, and his son were on their property in the Town of Sweden hunting for coyotes around 6:30 p.m. when they saw movement in a field.
Blackburn reported to police that he saw movement in the field and shined a light in the direction of the object. He then observed what he thought was the eyes of a coyote.
“According to deputies, Blackburn fired his rifle and then heard someone yell. He assisted the victim, 32-year-old Robert Williams, who was shot in the abdomen. Blackburn’s son called 911,” WHEC.com (News10NBC) reported.
From all the reports it is believed that Blackburn and Williams had no connections nor did the know each other which leads people to believe it was an accident. Sources think that Williams was actually shed hunting and stumbled into the wrong area at the wrong time.
Warning to all you shed hunters!
Williams was removed from the field by ATV by local deputies. Sustaining life threaten ting injuries, Williams was then transported to Strong Memorial Hospital for treatment.
WHEC.com (News10NBC) reported that Williams’ sister said her brother is out of surgery and that he lost his left kidney and spleen and that he is currently in a medically induced coma. She also added doctors said he should be OK.
Williams should consider himself a lucky man. Although investigators will continue to look into the case, we might enver know what really went on. Without further details we cannot speculate, but wow, what a story.
Brett Blackburn was charged with second degree assault as we stated earlier and arraigned in Sweden Town Court. His bail was set at $1,500 cash/$5,000 bond. The preliminary hearing will take place February 24. A preliminary hearing is scheduled for Feb. 24 and maybe more news will be brought to the public after that.
Take notes. Be careful where you shed hunt and make sure you know for sure what your target is before shooting.
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Just another example of how ones privacy and basic liberties are lost. All in the name of security. But the really sad thing is that it is happening right here and right now. Just look around.
What with security cameras almost everywhere in our towns and cities. That & How easy it is to be tracked by your cell phone both past and present.
Then throw in the easy access of your phone and credit card transactions. And there goes all your privacy all in the name of convenience. I myself am so glad to be old and hopefully will not see the complete subjugation of my nation.
Grumpy