Categories
A Victory! All About Guns Manly Stuff One Hell of a Good Fight

Petty Officer Michael Thornton: Quite Possibly the Baddest Man in the Entire World by WILL DABBS

Petty Officer Michael Thornton was a highly decorated career Navy SEAL who distinguished himself in combat in Vietnam.

Michael Thornton was born in 1949 in South Carolina. He graduated from high school in 1966 and immediately enlisted in the US Navy.

SEAL training is legendarily grueling.

In 1968 Thornton was one of sixteen BUD/S (Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL) graduates out of a starting class of 129.

The fictional war hero John Rambo had nothing on real-world Navy SEAL Mike Thornton.

Four years later on a bullet-swept beach in North Vietnam, Petty Officer Thornton made John Rambo look like a Sunday School teacher.

Naval Special Warfare soldiers were still pulling covert missions at the very end of the war in Vietnam. Mike Thornton is in the center. Note the blue jeans.

The war in Vietnam was winding down, and Michael Thornton was one of only a dozen Navy SEALs remaining in the country. On October 31, 1972, Thornton formed a team along with a SEAL officer named Thomas Norris and three South Vietnamese Special Forces operators.

Vietnam-era Navy SEALs were masters of unconventional warfare.

Their mission was to gather intelligence and capture prisoners for interrogation from the Cua Viet Naval Base north of Quang Tri. Thornton had worked with his three South Vietnamese counterparts before and trusted them as brothers.

SEAL stands for Sea/Air/Land. Waterborne insertions are their specialty.

The plan was to insert via rubber boat launched from a South Vietnamese junk. At dusk, they launched their small boat and then swam the last mile to reach their objective. In the darkness, they found that they had made a navigation error and landed well within North Vietnam. Advancing inland past numerous enemy positions they simply continued the mission.

Though the mission was a quiet reconnaissance and prisoner snatch, Thornton’s SEAL detachment was loaded for bear.

Their intelligence gathering complete, the small Naval Special Warfare team encountered a pair of North Vietnamese soldiers patrolling on the beach and attempted to capture them. When this operation went awry one of the NVA troops escaped and ran toward the jungle to alert his comrades. Thornton gave chase and was forced to shoot the man with a handgun, drawing the attention of some fifty NVA regulars located nearby. The result was a simply epic firefight.

Aggressive fire and maneuver kept the enemy confused concerning the size of Thornton’s small unit. The effective use of LAW (Light Antitank Weapon) rockets by the South Vietnamese SEALs helped slow down the attacking NVA troops.

Thornton picked up a load of shrapnel in his back from an NVA grenade early on but kept on fighting. The five allied warriors fired and moved constantly to keep the attacking NVA troops confused about the modest size of their small detachment.

Thornton attempted to call in friendly naval gunfire from American destroyers offshore but return fire from NVA shore batteries pushed the warships out of range. Over the next four hours, the five frogmen kept around 150 enemy troops at bay. With the coming dawn, however, things began to look bleak.

Only courage and implacable force of will got Mike Thornton and his team off that hostile beach.

The five sailors charged toward the water’s edge with Thornton in the lead and Norris taking up the rear. In the process, the unit commander took a round to the head and was presumed dead. When one of the South Vietnamese operators informed Thornton he ran back through blistering NVA fire to recover the body of his fallen friend. He arrived to find four NVA soldiers gathered around Norris’ inert form and killed them all.

As he lifted the limp man to his shoulders he observed that the whole side of his head seemed to be missing. Norris was, however, still breathing.

Thornton killed several of the pursuing NVA soldiers by firing his CAR15 assault rifle one-handed while carrying his severely injured commander to the water’s edge.

Running four hundred yards under fire carrying Norris on his shoulders, Thornton still managed to effectively engage the attacking NVA soldiers by firing his CAR15 assault rifle one-handed.

Mike Thornton’s extraordinary feat of heroism is memorialized in bronze outside the Navy UDT/SEAL Museum in Fort Pierce, Florida. Mike Thornton is on the left. Tommy Norris is on the right.

Tom Norris had previously called naval gunfire in on his position from a nearby heavy cruiser requesting a five-minute delay on the fire mission. When he was struck in the head and immobilized the timeline for the extraction fell apart. The supporting cruiser ultimately fired 104 five-inch high explosive rounds onto the beach.

When Naval gunfire support finally impacted, the two SEALs were blown fully twenty feet into the air. Petty Officer Thornton regained his senses, again hefted his buddy, and charged for the ocean. Once at the water’s edge Thornton found that one of his South Vietnamese comrades had been shot through the buttocks and was unable to swim.

Mike Thornton was not the sort of man to quit just because he was peppered with shrapnel and abandoned on a hostile Vietnamese beach.

Shoving both the severely wounded Norris and the South Vietnamese soldier into the surf, Thornton dragged them both out into open water. Once out of small arms range, Thornton bandaged Norris’ head wound as best he could. He subsequently trod water, keeping himself and his two injured comrades afloat for another three hours. The supporting vessels had presumed the patrol lost and retreated to safety.

Tommy Norris had an AK47 strapped to his body as Mike Thornton carried him into the surf. Thornton used this weapon to alert friendly troops in a South Vietnamese junk.

One of the South Vietnamese frogmen was eventually picked up by a friendly junk and reported both Americans killed. In desperation, Thornton fired Norris’ AK47 into the air and got the attention of an American SEAL onboard. Once taken aboard the South Vietnamese junk, the team was transported to the USS Newport News, the heavy cruiser that had recently fired in support of their extraction.

The heavy cruiser USS Newport News provided fire support to the beleaguered SEAL detachment. Surgeons onboard the vessel were the first to treat injured SEAL Thomas Norris.

Mike Thornton personally carried his friend Tom Norris into the big warship’s operating room only to be told that the severely injured man was beyond saving. Thornton insisted that the surgeon try his best regardless.

Mike Thornton was awarded the Medal of Honor roughly one year after his actions that saved his fellow operators.

A year later Michael Thornton was presented with the Medal of Honor by President Richard Nixon.

Thornton went on to a long and distinguished career in US Navy Special Operations.

Mike Thornton eventually served as an instructor at the BUD/S course in Coronado. He also did an exchange program with the elite British Special Boat Squadron and became a founding member of SEAL Team Six. Thornton was eventually commissioned and left the Navy as a Lieutenant in 1992.

Mike Thornton saved Tommy Norris’ life in 1972 on a beach in North Vietnam.

Tom Norris’ story did not end in the operating room of the Newport News in 1972. He survived his ordeal after a nineteen-hour emergency surgery. Multiple surgical procedures and many months of hospitalization later he was medically discharged from the Navy.

Tom Norris went on to complete training at the FBI academy despite the grievous nature of his injuries.

Not satisfied with medical retirement Norris applied for and received a waiver to attend the FBI academy at Quantico, Virginia. He went on to serve twenty years as a special agent in the FBI.

Tom Norris was eventually awarded the Medal of Honor for his actions on a previous mission. The details of his exploits were memorialized in the movie BAT21.

Tom Norris was himself awarded the Medal of Honor for an extraordinary mission to rescue downed American pilots some six months prior to his wounding on that North Vietnamese beach. His exploits were immortalized in the book and movie BAT21. Thornton and Norris were two of only three Navy SEALs to be awarded the Medal of Honor during the Vietnam War. Norris’s MOH mission was incredible in its own right and will likely be the focus of our efforts at some point in the future.

The Guns

Vietnam-era Navy SEALs carried a variety of unconventional weapons. Note the Stoner Light Machine Guns and AK 47 rifles in this team photo.

Vietnam-era Navy SEALs had great latitude in selecting their personal weapons.

Navy SEALs in Vietnam occasionally obtained their weapons from some unconventional sources.

A good friend who served as a SEAL in Vietnam in 1970 carried an M14, a Colt 1911A1, and a Browning pump 12-gauge shotgun stoked with buckshot whenever he went downrange. The shotgun carried a total of nine rounds onboard and was the product of a particularly successful night of poker soon after he arrived in the country. He cut the wooden buttstock down into a pistol grip and slung the gun over his shoulder on a makeshift single point sling.

The SEAL on the right is packing a Stoner 63 LMG. The one on the left has a highly modified M60 machine gun.

While the Stoner 63 light machinegun was a SEAL favorite, Michael Thornton carried a COLT CAR15 during his MOH mission.

The technical designation for the CAR15 was the XM177E2 Colt Commando. Issued with two slightly different barrel lengths, this stubby little carbine eventually evolved into today’s M4.

This compact carbine was a shortened version of the standard M16A1 that armed most of the conventional troops deployed during the war.

The CAR15 was popular for its modest weight and fast handling characteristics.

Sporting either a 10 or 11.5-inch barrel, a telescoping aluminum stock, and a sound moderator, the 5.56mm CAR15 was popular among aircrews, dog handlers, and Special Forces troops. By the end of the war, there were only about one thousand 30-round magazines available for these weapons in Vietnam. Special operators like Navy SEALs typically got first dibs.

The AK47 saw its first widespread use against American forces during the Vietnam War. American soldiers developed a healthy respect for the gun’s extraordinary reliability and exceptional firepower.

Tom Norris carried a captured AK47 during this mission. Special Forces troops frequently employed enemy weapons on clandestine operations. This practice would minimize the possibility of hostile troops distinguishing them by the sound of their gunfire. The AK47 was a rugged and effective assault rifle that was readily available in the latter stages of the war.

Mikhail Kalashnikov developed the most widely distributed combat rifle in human history as he recovered from wounds incurred fighting the Germans on the Eastern Front during World War 2.

Mikhail Timofeyevich Kalashnikov developed the gun that would become the AK47 during the waning months of the Second World War. Firing a true intermediate 7.62x39mm cartridge via an unnaturally reliable long-stroke gas-operated system, the AK47 found its way into the hands of communist soldiers and insurgents around the globe. With more than 100 million of these tough guns in service, these weapons will be found anyplace men kill each other for untold generations to come.

Denouement

Mike Thornton’s dedication to country, mission, and teammates was awe-inspiring. He is shown here along with Tommy Norris, the SEAL whose life he saved during his MOH operation. If that picture doesn’t move you then something about you is broken.

Michael Thornton’s superhuman display of courage and stamina eclipses anything depicted in a Hollywood epic. That the man he rescued did himself earn the Medal of Honor on an unrelated mission simply speaks to the caliber of the warriors that served with the US Navy SEALs during the protracted war in Southeast Asia.

Mike Thornton is a legendary American hero.

While the causes and prosecution of the war in Vietnam are certainly open for debate, none could dispute that Michael Thornton’s actions on that dark Vietnamese beach were the stuff of legend. Mike Thornton was and is a true American hero.

Navy SEALs in Vietnam pioneered unconventional warfare in an asymmetric battlefield.

 

Categories
All About Guns

Colt’s Model 1917 Revolver Filling the Gap

Categories
All About Guns

Original Colt 1911

Categories
All About Guns

Smith & Wesson 629 5″ .44 Magnum Revolver Review

Categories
All About Guns Gun Info for Rookies

Meet the Montana Craftsmen Who Made the Quigley Rifle

Categories
All About Guns Anti Civil Rights ideas & "Friends" Gun Fearing Wussies

Why indeed!

Categories
All About Guns Art

Mauser C96 – In The Movies

Categories
All About Guns

Smith & Wesson’s Thunder Ranch Defense .45

Categories
All About Guns

About the Winchester 30-30 Model 94

https://youtu.be/Q-psB9IaXcA

Categories
A Victory! All About Guns

ORDER IN THE COURT JUDGES FRUSTRATE GUN CONTROL CROWD WRITTEN BY DAVE WORKMAN

New York clergymen aren’t allowed to carry licensed handguns in their own churches under the state’s new law.
So, they went to court and found a friendly federal judge.

 

The elections are over, but the dust certainly hasn’t settled on the legal battlefield where gun control has collided with the Second Amendment and the U.S. Supreme Court’s 6-3 ruling in New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen.

As Insider reported last time, the Second Amendment Foundation went to bat for a couple of New York State clergymen — Bishop Larry A. Boyd of Buffalo and Rev. Dr. Jimmie Hardaway, Jr., of Niagara Falls — who have been fundamentally disarmed by the state’s new and hastily-manufactured concealed carry law which declared churches to be “sensitive places.”

When SAF and the California-based Firearms Policy Coalition, Inc. filed suit in federal court challenge back on Oct. 13, we noted it, as did the daily firearms news media, but it got very little notice outside of those circles. But then things began to happen.

Four days later, SAF et.al. filed what is called a memorandum in support of their earlier motion for a temporary restraining order against the state’s enforcement of the sensitive places designation for churches. That designation prohibited Bishop Boyd and Rev. Hardaway from packing hardware in their respective places of worship as a means of defending their congregations in the event some nut might try to commit a mass church shooting.

Two years ago, an armed citizen named Jack Wilson, a volunteer member of the security team at the West Freeway Church of Christ in White Settlement, Texas, fatally shot Keith Thomas Kinnunen after the latter opened fire, killing two people. The whole incident was live streamed as part of the service, and Wilson made an extraordinary shot across the church sanctuary, as detailed in a BBC report at the time.

Back in New York, three days after the memorandum was filed, U.S. District Judge John L. Sinatra, Jr., granted the TRO. The swiftness of Sinatra’s smackdown caught SAF’s Alan Gottlieb — and everybody else — by surprise.

 

Gun rights guru Alan Gottlieb was surprised at the swiftness a federal judge
applied to grant a temporary restraining order against enforcement
of New York State’s new carry law that applies to churches as no-gun zones.

New York’s Bum Luck

 

If there is one thing anybody could say to a Democrat politician in Albany, N.Y. without fear of contradiction right now, it would have to be “It sucks to be you.”

They scrambled to write a more restrictive law for citizens seeking a concealed carry license in the Empire State, and early last month, a federal district judge named Glenn Suddaby struck down several “key elements” of the new law as unconstitutional, as reported by PBS.

Suddaby, a George W. Bush appointee (elections really do matter!) with a sharp pen, included this blistering remark in his ruling: “Simply stated, instead of moving toward becoming a shall-issue jurisdiction, New York State has further entrenched itself as a shall-not-issue jurisdiction. And, by doing so, it has further reduced a first-class constitutional right to bear arms in public for self defense … into a mere request,” the PBS report detailed.

 

 

It may not be so much a case of bad luck as it is of bad faith and bad politics. Generations of anti-gun politicians and administrations in Albany have made the current crop of lawmakers stubborn. They simply do not want to let go of the power to squelch, or at least discourage, New York residents from exercising their right to bear arms, according to various critics.

Pols in neighboring New Jersey, down in Maryland and out in California are watching this drama intently because, if the courts continue ruling in the spirit and according to the letter of the high court’s Bruen ruling of last June 23, their efforts will fail as well.

If anything can be said about the Bruen ruling, authored by Associate Justice Clarence Thomas, it would have to be this is the gift that will keep on giving for a very long time. It has thrown the doors open to challenges of gun control laws literally all over the map.

 

Strange news from Washington State: a federal judge has allowed a gun control group
to intervene in a lawsuit challenging a magazine ban, as a defendant!

And Then There Is Stubborn

 

When it comes to stubborn, politicians may not hold a candle to the gun control crowd, which simply cannot stand to lose.

Still, here’s a warning to readers: You’re not gonna believe this!

Out in Washington State, where Gottlieb’s SAF, the Firearms Policy Coalition, a gun retailer and two private citizens are challenging a ban on so-called “large capacity magazines,” a federal judge has given the okay for the Seattle-based Alliance for Gun Responsibility to intervene in that lawsuit … as a defendant. The group’s request was submitted months ago, not long after the law took effect July 1.

The lawsuit names Democrat Attorney General Bob Ferguson and State Patrol Chief John Batiste as defendants. Ferguson had pushed for a magazine ban for several years, and this year he finally scored. The Alliance gun control group threw its weight behind the measure, which was part of its 2022 legislative wish list.

Gottlieb released a statement, which provided an interesting perspective.

“Apparently the Alliance is worried Ferguson isn’t capable of defending his own magazine ban in this lawsuit,” Gottlieb said. “Obviously, after the Supreme Court’s Bruen decision last June, the gun ban lobby fears the state may not be able to defend any of its gun laws, including a couple passed by initiative campaigns the Alliance financed.”

 

A Very Thoughtful Letter

 

We get notes occasionally about something we’ve written, but a message from Ken Angst of Nevada — in response to the Oct. 20 “Trim Length” column — was so well-thought-out, it deserves to be printed in full.

“Dave: Have been following your writings for years as you do a great job.

Reference your article “Trim Length,” let me start by saying that I have been reloading since the late 1950s. Started out with an old used Pacific press circa the 1940’s, Lachmiller dies and STP for sizing lube. Have never had a stuck case with STP and still use it for heavy military cases. This was back in the day a one-pound can of 3031 or Unique and Bullseye was $2.50. A 100-pound canister of surplus IMR 4895 was $50.00 plus Railway Express fees. Of Course as a high school kid working part time in a gas station I didn’t have $50.00 plus shipping to buy powder.

I have worked up through a Star press, multiple RCBS press’s (sic) and Dillon progressives along with some electric commercial reloading machines during my law enforcement career. Those were the days of loading thousands of rounds of .38 Spl. at one sitting.

Here are some things that I have learned over the years you may wish to consider. Case length is an issue that can cause serious pressure issues, especially in bottleneck cases, rimmed and rimless. A long case may cause chambering issues but a heavily crimped case may not, “squeezing” the bullet when fired as it enters the bore between the case neck and the barrel throat causing extremely high pressure. In effect the long brass is trying to size the bullet down, acting like the forcing cone in a revolver on the bullet. This is usually not a problem in straight case rimmed pistol cases such as the .38 Spl. or .45 Colt.

The chambers in most revolvers in my experience are reamed a little long. As you mentioned the .45 Colt loads that were “swelled”, that sounds like it was caused during the crimping stage where the brass was forced downward and outward instead of inward because of excessive case length. .44-40 cases have thin walls and you can actually crush a long case or even a correct length case if the crimp does not go into the crimping groove. I have found that the Star Line .44-40 brass is much more rugged than Winchester or later post balloon head Remington brass. There are good case length gauges available semi reasonably priced such as the ones by Wilson or Dillon that drop over the case which give a visual min and Max.

Then there are the autoloading cases such as the 9X19, .40, 10mm and the .45ACP that headspace on the case mouth. Although these do not stretch a lot it may be a good idea to check the overall case length since a long case may prevent the slide from closing.

Around 2010 Winchester marketed a quantity of their “white box” .45 ACP that had cases up to approximately 1/10th of an inch over max case length that would not allow the slide to go into battery. I still run into some of that brass.

 

Dave got a thoughtful, albeit lengthy, reader response to a recent column and felt it necessary to share it.

 

To trim or not to trim, that is the question. First, as to your point to always check the case length after they have been sized. That is very important. If I’m about to load a couple thousand 5.56mm or .30-06 rounds, do I want to trim them all to the same length? Even with a Dillon electric or RCBS electric trimmer this is a time consuming PITA project. I have found that most once fired bottle neck cases come out of my sizing dies about .003″ or .004″ inches short of the max overall length recommendations. That may differ from one chamber to the next that they were fired in. When at or over max those cases are set aside to be trimmed later.

One thing that I have found important to ensure quality reloads is to crimp the case last in a separate stage from bullet seating. I have been using the Lee Factory Crimp Die for years now for rifle cases. As the case comes up the crimp is pressed in from the sides the same way factory ammo is manufactured. The closer that the case lengths are to the same, the closer the crimp is to identical on all loads. For a match quality load use the same lot of brass with identical case length and crimp. Have also switched to their pistol crimp dies also and get good results without bulged cases on heavy crimps. This is the one product that Lee excels with.

Closing on 65 years of reloading I have learned things that work well for me. One thing a person new to reloading with straight wall pistol case should give thought to is a carbide sizing die. The few dollars more will be well worth it if they become a serious reloader. One of the best all around loading manuals in my opinion is the NRA Publications “Handloading” circa 1981 & 1986 if you can find one. Great publication for the novice or veteran handloader. Some loads may be out of date however, some of the technical information contained you may not find elsewhere.

Having to pull a couple of hundred rounds is not fun. I once loaded 1,500 plus rounds of 9X19 using the data for Dupont 700X which had been taken over by Hodgdon and produced as IMR 700X which I assumed would be the same. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Load looked to be too hot for the IMR 700X. Not something to shoot in a DWM 1916 Luger. I ended up giving the loads to a friend who spent his afternoons in the garage for weeks with an inertia puller.

Wheel guns, 1911’s and M1 Garands forever.

Dave replies: Ken, you’ve offered a life’s worth of experience at the loading bench, a “gift” to other readers and we’re grateful. I’ve been knocking together my own rounds for the better part of 50 years, and it is a never-ending educational process. Thanks for your longtime attention to my byline, and for your kind remarks.