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How my California Tax Money is spent – California’s Gun Confiscation Program Has Been an Abject Failure by JORDAN MICHAELS on JULY 21, 2021

Newsom hasn’t been able to turn the 20-year failure around. (Photo: Wikimedia Commons)

In 2001, California passed a first-of-its-kind law to create a database of residents who had become prohibited from owning firearms. Whether through criminal conduct or mental health issues, these individuals would be included on a list dubbed the “Armed and Prohibited Persons System” (APPS).

The database is made possible by the state’s firearm registration and universal background check systems, and the California Department of Justice hoped local law enforcement and state agents would be able to use APPS to confiscate firearms from those deemed unfit.

Unfortunately for Golden State gun grabbers, the program has been an abject failure—and its problems are only getting worse.

The news outlet CalMatters published this week a lengthy article highlighting the program’s worst failings, and they sum it up like this: “…what seemed at the time like a straight-forward approach to the enforcement of existing gun laws has instead become mired in chronic shortcomings, failing for years to make good on its potential.”

The full piece is worth a read, but CalMatters revealed (sometimes unintentionally, it seems) how the APPS system is used to harass gun owners and violate their privacy rights.

Since government agencies maintain the APPS list, CalMatters was able to obtain personal information of some of the current and former gun owners included in the database. But as CalMatters admits, not everyone on the list is supposed to be there.

SEE ALSO: New California Law Imposes Court Process for Confiscating Guns

Some people who appear in the APPS database have already surrendered their firearms. Others are only there due to administrative errors.

“Even when the information is correct, some people might be on the list because of an apparent misunderstanding or paperwork issue, not because they’re trying to illegally keep their guns,” the outlet reports.

Law enforcement agents sometimes devote time and resources to confiscating firearms only to find that the database has given them faulty information.

“The work-intensive process and outmoded technology has led some in law enforcement to question the database’s reliability. They say they’ve discovered errors during field operations and that investigations based on the list are a waste of resources,” according to CalMatters.

And then there’s simple bureaucratic incompetence. Some officials estimate that there are 24,000 people in the APPS database who have not surrendered their firearms. But CalMatters reports (towards the bottom of the article) that even this number is mostly guesswork.

“As it stands now, the department can’t even determine the precise breadth of the backlog, including how many cases have remained unresolved for more than six months,” they say.

There are multiple causes for the backlog. CalMatters discovered that many local police departments do not even know about the database. They also note that judges often do not ensure that their gun confiscation orders are carried out, and agents at the California DOJ can’t keep up with the constant stream of new prohibited persons.

SEE ALSO: CA Gov. Gavin Newsom: ‘We have the ability to do martial law…if necessary’

What many gun owners may not know is that just being on the list doesn’t give law enforcement the right to confiscate firearms. According to CalMatters, agents must acquire probable cause that a person still possesses a gun in order to obtain a search warrant. If an individual simply denies owning a firearm, the investigation may end right there.

One agency told CalMatters that they gave up on confiscating firearms after one night of work, calling it “a waste of resources that could be directed toward more pressing violent crime problems.” Some people provided proof that their guns had been sold long ago, while others claimed they had gotten rid of them but could provide no evidence.

“There was just no way to verify,” one agent said, adding that the state “has no idea who has guns and who’s turned them in.”

The program’s sorry track record has made it difficult for anti-gun advocates to justify its continued existence. According to CalMatters, “Gun control advocates struggled to identify shootings that might have been prevented had authorities successfully retrieved firearms,” and the outlet did not report on any specific instances.

One spokesperson for the anti-gun group Giffords may have unintentionally summed up how most law-abiding gun owners feel about gun control efforts.

“It’s very frustrating to see that we have such a hard time implementing firearms removals in situations where we have all the information in front of us,” she said. “It doesn’t give the public a lot of confidence in our ability to tackle a lot of these more complex firearm issues.”

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The Report from behind Enemy Lines

NEWSOM RECALL PUTS
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With less than 60 days until the special election, the recall of Governor Gavin Newsom is the biggest political story in California, if not the country.  Sure, legal fights and several anti-2A bills are still pending, but there is no question that the recall represents a historic opportunity.

Gavin Newsom took office promising to go further than Jerry Brown in curtailing gun rights and he has done just that.  In the wake of his election, multiple legislators whose anti-gun rights bills were vetoed by Brown were more than happy to re-introduce those measures.  These attacks on the rights of safe and responsible gun owners will only continue if the recall fails.

In a special installment of CRPA TV, Kevin and Rick discuss the reasons behind the recall.  Spoiler alert: it is not just the Governor’s record on gun rights that has brought him to the brink of losing his seat.

Click here to watch “Let’s Talk About The Recall” on CRPA TV

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My Old Home Town! Pasadena California 1945 AD

This was what it looked like when America was at its Zenith in my humble Opinion!

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Amen Brother!

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Think about this so called Independence Day

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Hog Hunting on the California Coast (Some of the Prettiest Areas in the USofA!)

If you get the chance, go down the Pacific Coast highway in Big Sur. Because it is easily one of the best places to go to get in touch with nature. For me at least it also helps my Soul and Heart to go there just to unwind.

Also while it is getting expensive just like everything in this crazy state of mine. The cost of doing a Hog Hunt is not as bad as you would think. Just do a proper job of research and you will find the right Hunting Outfit for you and your Pocketbook.

The other Good News is that on Thursday. San Luis Obispo has a farmers market. Which is a whole lot of fun. Plus SLO as the locals call it has some of the best Tri Tip steak sandwich’s around.

Grumpy

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Battle of Palmdale California (This place always seems to attract strange Folks and Things even in the 1950's)

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WHAT HAPPENS NOW IN CA’S ASSAULT WEAPON BAN!!! Miller v. Bonta

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Bismuth 12 Ga. Slug by E.M.Smith

Bismuth 12 Ga. Slug by E.M.Smith

For those who do not know, California has banned the use of Lead in ammunition used for hunting. Why? Supposedly to reduce toxicity in birds eating lead lumps and shot. In reality, more likely IMHO is that the goal was to make it harder to get any ammo to shoot and raise prices.

The result has been a lot of use of Bismuth in shot as the weight is about the same as lead and it is non-toxic. Also it isn’t that expensive. For hunting rounds in rifles, the use of solid copper and related alloys has been common.

Copper is much harder than lead, so many of those hunting rounds now penetrate more soft body armor than the prior rounds. (Note: NO soft body armor is “bullet proof”, each is only rated to stop certain classes of rounds. There is no “bullet proof vest”. There is no “cop killer bullet”, only a necessary energy and hardness to penetrate any given level of vest.)

But what happens with a Bismuth slug?

Well, the Taofledermause folks tested it. Results are fascinating to say the least. Due to increased brittleness, the slug tends to disintegrate on hard targets. BUT it also tends to make a few larger chunks in the process on softer targets. As a result, it penetrated a Level 3 soft body armor test panel that will stop a Foster Slug of lead.

In a block of ballistic gel, it was an amazing effect. Shedding some fragments that stopped in a few inches, while some large chunks traveled the whole length, and the rest formed an expanding cone of destruction in between.

I would not want to be on the wrong end of one of those slugs.

Now, this was an alloy of mostly Bismuth, a bit of Antimony, and some tin (12%) so as to stop the tendency of Bismuth to expand on cooling. That let them use a regular lead casting mold to get a proper sized bullet / slug. I have no idea how much of this peculiar performance comes from that particular alloy, but it will matter to some degree.

Bismuth  - 87.25%
Antimony -  0.75%
Tin      - 12%

An interesting result, to say the least. Attempting to make it a pain to go shooting your shotgun resulting in a spectacular increase in lethality. Leftists – Accidentally increasing lethality for 53 years… (Banning “Saturday Night Specials” moved uninformed shoots / buyers up caliber and up quality into more lethal guns and calibers…)

I’m no longer concerned about the effectiveness of Bismuth in shotgun rounds 😉

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A Breakdown of the Infamous 1997 North Hollywood Bank Shootout by Luke C

A Breakdown of the Infamous 1997 North Hollywood Bank Shootout
On Friday, February 28th, 1997 the Los Angeles Police Department would face one of the most dangerous criminal acts in its history – The North Hollywood Bank Shootout. On that Friday morning, after months of planning two armed bank robbers entered and robbed the North Hollywood Bank of America branch in California. The ensuing shootout between the heavily armed bank robbers and LAPD would go down in history as one of the largest gun battles in United States history. Today we’ll breakdown the facts leading up to and throughout the infamous North Hollywood Bank Shootout.

A Breakdown of the Infamous 1997 North Hollywood Bank Shootout

A Breakdown of the Infamous 1997 North Hollywood Bank Shootout

Disclaimer: This article is not intended to sit in judgment of any party that was involved in this incident. The purpose of this article is to take the facts which have been presented to the public to show readers a clinical, unbiased and truthful look at an unfortunate chain of events.

A Breakdown of the Infamous 1997 North Hollywood Bank Shootout

BEST-LAID PLANS

The robbers – Larry Eugene Phillips Jr. and Decebal Ștefan Emilian Mătăsăreanu – were familiar with firearms and prepared for the bank robbery by heavily arming and armoring themselves. Included in their arsenal were illegally modified rifles including two Norinco Type 56 S rifles, one Norinco Type 56 S-1 rifle and a Bushmaster XM15-ES2 Dissipator all of which were modified to be able to fire fully automatic. The robbers were also armed with an H&K Model 91 .308 rifle.

A Breakdown of the Infamous 1997 North Hollywood Bank Shootout

The HK-91 Rifle used by Phillips during the robbery (note the destroyed lower receiver and magazine)

A Breakdown of the Infamous 1997 North Hollywood Bank Shootout

An illegally modified XM15 used by the robbers to fire fully-automatic – Beta mag attached

A Breakdown of the Infamous 1997 North Hollywood Bank Shootout

Norinco Type-56 Sporter modified to fire full-auto by the robbers – an attached Romanian 75 round drum magazine.

Phillips and Mătăsăreanu also armored themselves with varying degrees of body armor. Mătăsăreanu wore a Type IIIA bulletproof vest with a trauma plate to protect vital organs while Phillips was found to have worn more than 40 lbs of equipment including his armor. Phillips wore a Type IIIA vest which included a groin guard and he supplemented this with several pieces of homebrewed body armor salvaged from pieces of other vests. All together Phillips was nearly covered from head to toe in body armor.

A Breakdown of the Infamous 1997 North Hollywood Bank Shootout

A Breakdown of the Infamous 1997 North Hollywood Bank Shootout: Recreation of Phillips (left) and Mătăsăreanu on the day of the robbery

In addition to their armament, both robbers made an extensive reconnaissance of the Bank located at 6600 Laurel Canyon Boulevard – this reconnaissance included finding the exact person they needed to gain access to the bank’s vault which was their main target. The robbers also made use of police scanners to determine the estimated response time and included watches sewn onto the back of their gloves to monitor their timing.

THE ROBBERY

At 9:17am the two robbers arrived at the bank and set their watch alarms for 8 minutes. As the two made their way into the bank they were spotted by two patrolling officers. Loren Farrel and Martin Perello were on patrol and driving down Laurel Canyon when they spotted the robbers. Perello immediately called in the possible 211 – the code for robbery.

A Breakdown of the Infamous 1997 North Hollywood Bank Shootout

A Breakdown of the Infamous 1997 North Hollywood Bank Shootout

After entering the bank the robbers proceeded to harass both customers and bank employees. Mătăsăreanu opened fire into the bank’s ceiling declaring “This is a F*cking holdup!” As Phillips secured the main bank lobby Mătăsăreanu proceeded to track down the bank’s assistant manager John Viligrana.

A Breakdown of the Infamous 1997 North Hollywood Bank Shootout

The metal door jam was shot along with the bullet-resistant glass leading to the tellers and bank vault.

Viligrana was located inside the tellers where the vault door was. To gain access to this area, Mătăsăreanu shot through the 1/4″ thick bullet-resistant polycarbonate and acrylic composite panels with his converted Norinco Type 56 Sporter rifle. The short burst destroyed the panels and riddled the striker plate with bullet holes.
John Villigrana encountered Phillips after he blasted the door open and was immediately met with demands to “Get the money or we kill you.” Even though Villigrana immediately complied with the demands he was still struck in the back of the head with the wire-frame stock of Phillip’s rifle.

A Breakdown of the Infamous 1997 North Hollywood Bank Shootout

A Breakdown of the Infamous 1997 North Hollywood Bank Shootout

Upon entering the vault Villigrana began filling Mătăsăreanu’s bags with cash. However, due to a recent change in delivery times and practices, the bank had not yet received its bulk delivery and the amount of cash inside was not what the robbers had expected (roughly $750,000). Assistant Manager Villigrana recalls that Mătăsăreanu became visibly and audibly upset with this revelation. In a display of rage, Mătăsăreanu unloaded a full 75-round drum into one of the vault’s cash lockers (Burgher Box).

A Breakdown of the Infamous 1997 North Hollywood Bank Shootout

A Breakdown of the Infamous 1997 North Hollywood Bank Shootout

After this incident, Villigrana had finished loading up the robber’s bag with a total of $303,305 which included 3 dye packs that would all detonate as the robbers were leaving the building. With their 8 minutes up the robbers marshaled the terrified customers into the bank vault and at that point, Phillips exited the Northwest door of the building while Mătăsăreanu remained inside for another 4 minutes – it is still unknown what he did inside the bank during this time.

A Breakdown of the Infamous 1997 North Hollywood Bank Shootout

A Breakdown of the Infamous 1997 North Hollywood Bank Shootout

THE SHOOTOUT

During the bank robbery, LAPD officers had managed to surround the building setting up patrol cars along Laurel Canyon Boulevard as well as the intersecting streets surrounding the bank. Officers began to arrive only minutes after the initial two-eleven call was made by Officer Perello.

A Breakdown of the Infamous 1997 North Hollywood Bank Shootout

Phillips as he opened up with his initial barrage of fire at the LAPD

As Phillips exited the building he immediately encountered LAPD officers. Phillips opened fire with the first of what would eventually be 1,100 rounds reportedly fired by the robbers during the ongoing battle. LAPD Sgt. Haynes along with 3 other officers were the first targets of Phillips and the first barrage of full-auto fire riddled the police cruiser with bullet holes as the officers took cover. Phillips continued to pursue the officers and present civilians and even fired on the police helicopter AIR-8 which had arrived just seconds before Phillips exited the bank.

A Breakdown of the Infamous 1997 North Hollywood Bank Shootout

Although it may not seem like it the distances that the gunmen were engaging the officers at put officers armed with pistols at a significant disadvantage.

Phillips continued to fire till he emptied his 75-round drum and then proceeded to retreat to where he had exited the bank. Officers used this opportunity to return fire with their Beretta 92F 9mm pistols. Some other officers had S&W Model 15 revolvers and others brought Ithaca Model 37 shotguns to combat the robbers. Shortly after reloading, Phillips stepped out again and in a single 128-degree arc of fire, he wounded three police officers and one civilian.

A Breakdown of the Infamous 1997 North Hollywood Bank Shootout

A Breakdown of the Infamous 1997 North Hollywood Bank Shootout

Phillips was initially shot by officer James Zboravan. Zboravan used his Ithica Model 37 and two blasts of buckshot to hit Phillips from the rear with 9 total projectiles but only one managed to injure Phillips by striking his right buttock which was unprotected by armor. Phillips turned to engage the officer and those around him and eventually wounded officer Zboravan with one round striking his lower back and other striking his hip and exiting through his thigh.
A Breakdown of the Infamous 1997 North Hollywood Bank Shootout
A Breakdown of the Infamous 1997 North Hollywood Bank Shootout

ATTEMPTED ESCAPE – PHILLIPS

This portion of the battle would go on between officers and Phillips until he decided to return to the bank Phillips may have been struck several times by both LAPD officers and detectives with 9mm rounds as several officers engaged him from multiple angles. After discarding several empty ammunition drums Phillips and Mătăsăreanu exited the bank both carrying the large money bag.
A Breakdown of the Infamous 1997 North Hollywood Bank Shootout
LAPD SWAT arrived 18 minutes after the shooting had begun and were much better armed than the patrol officers. LAPD SWAT brought AR-15 rifles to bear and commandeered a nearby armored truck to extract the wounded civilians and officers from the area.

LAPD officers and SWAT team members use a commandeered armored transport to rescue a wounded man, under fire from a robber at the Bank of America across the street. (Gene Blevins/Los Angeles Daily News)

As Mătăsăreanu and Phillips exited the bank and began to flee, Mătăsăreanu was shot twice in the right buttock and once in the left forearm which forced him to drop the bag of money which had been ruined by the detonation of the dye packs.

A Breakdown of the Infamous 1997 North Hollywood Bank Shootout

The glove from the right hand of Phillips

A Breakdown of the Infamous 1997 North Hollywood Bank Shootout

Autopsy report showing Phillips right hand which was shot

Mătăsăreanu then proceeded to enter their getaway vehicle and start the engine while Phillips retrieved the HK-91 from the trunk and continued firing at officers by walking along with the car as it moved. The HK-91 was struck on the receiver and magazine forcing Phillips to abandon the rifle. Phillips was simultaneously struck in the shoulder by officers.

A Breakdown of the Infamous 1997 North Hollywood Bank Shootout

A Breakdown of the Infamous 1997 North Hollywood Bank Shootout

Phillips quickly picked up a second Type 56 rifle and exited the parking lot and onto the street where Mătăsăreanu had driven the getaway vehicle. It is at this point that he continued to fire at police until his rifle jammed at which point he drew his Beretta 92FS and continued firing at police. Phillips was shot in the right hand which caused him to drop his pistol. After retrieving the pistol, Phillips chose to end his life with it while officers simultaneously shot him several times while the pistol was under his chin.

A Breakdown of the Infamous 1997 North Hollywood Bank Shootout

Phillips firing his Beretta 92FS at police shortly before his death.

ATTEMPTED ESCAPE – MĂTĂSĂREANU

A Breakdown of the Infamous 1997 North Hollywood Bank Shootout
Mătăsăreanu continued down the street until the original getaway car was disabled by having two of its tires shot out. He attempted to steal a Jeep Gladiator by shooting at its driver. The driver ran away but not before activating the electrical kill switch which disabled the vehicle. As this was happening SWAT arrived and engaged Mătăsăreanu who had taken cover behind the original getaway car.
A Breakdown of the Infamous 1997 North Hollywood Bank Shootout
For almost the next two and a half minutes, there was a stream of near uninterrupted gunfire between the officers and Mătăsăreanu. The bank robber survived a direct “double-tap” to his vest and continued to fire at officers after catching his breath. Eventually, a swat officer chose to fire underneath the vehicles at Mătăsăreanu’s unprotected lower body which eventually wounded the bank robber and caused him to surrender, Mătăsăreanu put his hands up to indicate this.

A Breakdown of the Infamous 1997 North Hollywood Bank Shootout

A Breakdown of the Infamous 1997 North Hollywood Bank Shootout

Just seconds after his surrender, police officers rushed to pin the man down and cuff him. Officers questioned him about his own name and if there were any other suspects and Mătăsăreanu reportedly retorted with a vulgar “F*ck you! Shoot me in the head!”

A Breakdown of the Infamous 1997 North Hollywood Bank Shootout

A photo of the “double-tap” shot sustained to Mătăsăreanu’s vest during the final exchange of gunfire.

Ambulance personnel, following standard procedure, refused to enter “the hot zone” where Mătăsăreanu was as he was still considered dangerous and there were reports that a third gunman might be on the loose. EMTs were not allowed to reach the scene until almost 70 minutes later after police radioed for an ambulance and Mătăsăreanu died at the scene from excessive blood loss. In total, he was shot over 20 times in the legs although the two fatal shots were from his left thigh.

A Breakdown of the Infamous 1997 North Hollywood Bank Shootout

A Breakdown of the Infamous 1997 North Hollywood Bank Shootout

AFTERMATH – CONCLUSION

In just under 45 minutes, over 300 law enforcement officers had responded to the city-wide TAC alert. At that same time, over 1,100 rounds of various ammunition had been fired by just the robbers with an additional estimated 650 rounds fired by police. Miraculously the only two deaths were those of the two perpetrators. In total 11 police officers were wounded and 6 civilians were wounded during the 44-minute robbery.

A Breakdown of the Infamous 1997 North Hollywood Bank Shootout

A Breakdown of the Infamous 1997 North Hollywood Bank Shootout

This single incident in which two heavily armed and highly motivated men chose to rob a bank at high risk proved to be one of the motivating factors to standard patrol officers being armed with more lethal weapons. If anything this incident proves just how ineffective standard patrol weapons (pistols and shotguns) can be against those with heavier firepower.
This thought process led to the Department of Defense giving 600 surplus M-16 rifles to the LAPD which were then issued to each patrol sergeant. Today weapons like these can be considered “standard issue” by many police departments.
A Breakdown of the Infamous 1997 North Hollywood Bank Shootout
I hope that this brief breakdown of the facts has been informative and enjoyable to read. The story of the North Hollywood Bank shootout has many complex and intricate details, many of which I was not able to include for brevity’s sake. If you have questions many of the links in the article have a bounty of information that I was unable to include in the article. As always, thanks for reading and please feel free to leave a comment down below.
Photo Credits: CNN, National Geographic, Adrian Martinez, L. Mindham, LAPD Crime Scene Photos