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Top 9 Collectible Lever-Action Rifles By Jeff John

If you’re into collecting and investing in firearms, here are nine lever-action rifles to consider adding to your hard-asset portfolio.

Top 9 Collectible Lever-Action Rifles

Let’s cut to the chase. The most collectible lever-action rifle is a Winchester. Which Winchester is where things get a bit fuzzy, but if growth in value is all you’re considering, then stick with 19th to mid 20th century Winchesters—with condition, condition, condition all that matters. Winchesters are very popular with collectors because many can be documented by original factory records, unlike so many other makers. Such provenance adds to their appreciation values.

Before we go any further, let’s add that there are many other very collectible, high-quality lever actions made by Colt, Marlin, Savage and Eli Whitney. Most are far more scarce than Winchesters, and ones designed by Andrew Burgess—a Civil War photographer who became one of America’s most prolific arms designer—are, in my opinion, more intriguing mechanically.

Many times they’re priced less than a Winchester in similar condition. Few, though, cause the stampede the Big Red W does with collectors, so if value/appreciation is your primary concern, choose Winchester. The audience at the sale will be bigger.

Here are some tips to keep in mind. The highest return on an investment occurs only on original arms. Responsible sellers will stand behind them. The price for ones that were refinished or highly finished away from the factory should be commensurately lower in price and won’t appreciate as quickly as one authenticated by the factory or with solid provenance.

Caveat emptor—buyer beware—must always be on your mind, especially with arms having 95 percent or more finish. Be aware value can become diminished if meticulous storage conditions aren’t met. For example, case hardening fades in sunlight, and fingerprints can cause rust to form if not carefully wiped away. Too little preservative can allow rust as well, and too much preservative can cause wood to soften and discolor.

Top 9 Collectible Lever-Action Rifles

Top, This Civil War-era Henry sold in 2020 for $19,200. Bottom, Highly embellished Henry rifles are very rare. This one was silver plated and stocked in rosewood with much of its original finish intact. It appears to have gone for the bargain price of $66,000. (Photos courtesy Morphy Auctions)

Of all the Winchesters, the first one—the Henry—“Saw the elephant.” Few have solid documentation, but the romance enhances their value. The Civil War-era Henry ushered in the repeating rifle era in a big way. It was the gun they said was “loaded on Sunday and shot all week.”

Such rifles were used heavily in their time and the survivors in even relic condition are now highly prized. Civilian Henry rifles, many of which saw hard use on the American frontier, normally sell in $16,000 range on up, with War-era ones about 25 percent more if conditions are similar. Many in that price range have replaced parts due to their long working lives, and ones in exceptional condition are very, very rare.

A beautiful early engraved, silver-plated Henry stocked in rosewood sold for only $66,000 at Morphy Auctions in 2018. Plain Henrys attributed to Civil War use often fetch around a one-third of that.

Winchester 1866

Top 9 Collectible Lever-Action Rifles

Top, An exceptional Winchester 1866, this one exemplifies the romance of the American West engraved with an Indian hunting a buffalo. It is gold plated with 4X wood. Bottom, A closeup shows the hunting scene in better detail. Many 1886 rifles and carbines have interesting stories accentuating their collectibility. (Photos courtesy Morphy Auctions)

The Model 1866 rarely achieves a quarter of the Henry’s value in plain trim, but was in the Old West for quite a long time. While a few centerfires were made, they’re almost always in .44 rimfire. Many went to Mexico, where the rimfire remained popular even after the introduction of the stronger, centerfire 1873.

The “Improved Henry” Model of 1866 was made alongside the 1873 into the 1880s. While plain, late, well-used 1866 rifles may sell in $3,000 to $6,000 range, and were often used by Indians as well. Documentation often exists for the 1866. The one pictured sold for $100,000 at a 2019 Morphy Auction, and it’s engraved with an Indian hunting buffalo and is gold plated. If that seems a little low for the quality, one of the finest known 1866s engraved, signed by John Ulrich and gold plated sold for $598,000 at a Morphy Auction in 2018.

Winchester Model 1873

Top 9 Collectible Lever-Action Rifles

Winchester 1873: The “One of One Thousand” Winchester has long been a holy grail with collectors. When authenticity is undeniable, prices can go through the roof. This one sold for $448,500 and has many special order options. (Photo courtesy Rock Island Auctions)

The Model 1873 has become one of the highly collectible Winchesters. The great beauty of the Model 1873 is the wide range of special-order features Winchester cheerfully offered. A wonderful collection could be amassed with no two exactly alike. Adding one of the very few “One of One Thousand” embellished ones could be a wonderful centerpiece of a collection.

While a nice, common 1873 can be had for between $1,500 and $5,000, an engraved, well-documented “One of One Thousand” sold for a whopping $448,500 at a Rock Island Auction about 15 years ago. Only a few more than 130 “One of One Thousand” versions were ever made, and there are now far more in circulation, so buyer beware.

The Winchester ’73 was there for the opening of the American frontier and popular on both sides of the law. With about three-quarters of a million made, the 1873 was the gun to have, and nothing beat it as the everyday working rifle of the Old West. Adding to the romance, nothing quite sounds the same as the “clank-clank” of its action working.

Caption Winchester 1873: The “One of One Thousand” Winchester has long been a holy grail with collectors. When authenticity is undeniable, prices can go through the roof. This one sold for $448,500 and has many special order options. (Photo courtesy Rock Island Auctions)

Winchester Model 1876

Top 9 Collectible Lever-Action Rifles

The large-frame Winchester 1876 was also offered as a “One of One Thousand.” This first-year production 1876 has many special-order features as well and sold for $90,000. (Photo courtesy Morphy Auctions)

The Winchester 1876 was never very popular, and it’s one of those rifles just a little too heavy for the power of its cartridges. Normally not as highly collectible as other Winchesters, they still have a certain cachet—especially in .50 caliber—but only the carbine that served with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police has achieved any real romance with collectors.

Not many were made, so they are scarcer than the prices would imply. But the ’76 had a “One of One Thousand,” and many were embellished otherwise offering a large canvas for the engraver, but case hardening over the same real estate is highly beautiful as well. The one pictured is a documented first year 1876 “One of One Thousand” rifle and sold for $90,000 at Morphy Auctions in 2018.

Winchester Model 1886

Top 9 Collectible Lever-Action Rifles

Winchester 1886: This almost-new, first-year .45-70 Winchester ’86 sold for $25,200. This one defines the concept of buying for condition, condition, condition. (Photo courtesy Morphy Auctions)

The next model really put Winchester on the map—offering power, smooth operation and unmatched beauty—although it came at a time when those qualities were on the wane. Still, John Browning’s Model 1886 Winchester defined big-bore lever action power for hunters until well after World War I. Surprisingly few were actually made, and only about 160,000 ever left New Haven.

Once again, Winchester offered a wide selection of options in finish, barrel lengths and magazine lengths along with far wider selection of big game calibers than the company’s previous lever guns. While highly finished arms generate five figures and more, average ones offer the shooting collector many things to pursue. The one pictured is a plain 1886 in .45-70, but it is almost in like-new condition, is a first-year rifle and sold at a Morphy Auctions for $25,200 in 2019. The rifle exhibits unparalleled craftsmanship.

Winchester Model 1892

Top 9 Collectible Lever-Action Rifles

The Winchester 1892 served yeoman duty for farmers, ranchers, lawmen and others although it is primarily known for its recurring role in Western movies and television. In nearly new condition, this one fetched $40,250 in 2021. (Photo courtesy at Rock Island Auctions)

A rifle made in far greater numbers than the 1886 is its little brother, the Winchester 1892. First offered in the same pistol cartridges as the older 1873, more than 1 million rifles were made before being discontinued in 1932. The ’92 came along after the frontier was settled, yet if you watch Western films and television, you’d think the little rifle served well before the Civil War as well.

The 1892 also was made in a wide variety of models with plenty of options. In its day, ammunition for the ’92 was up-powered to take advantage of the extra strength. Like the ’86, it offers the shooting collector a strong, wonderfully smooth lever action. When found in like-new condition, prices can be high even if in the common configuration of a standard working carbine. The .44-40 1892 Carbine pictured sold for $40,250 at Rock Island Auctions.

Winchester Model 1894

Top 9 Collectible Lever-Action Rifles

Winchester 1894: Top, Even plain Model 94 carbines hold value well. Early ones go for more, but this one from 1950 fetched more than $900 at Morphy Auctions even with a few apologies. (Photo courtesy Morphy Auctions) Bottom, The Model 94 offers a large canvas for embellishment and this one from 1921 fetched $103,500. (Photo courtesy Rock Island Auctions)

In sheer popularity, all must bow to the Winchester Model 1894. More than 7 million were made over its more than 100-year production life, and countless deer and other game animals have been felled by John Browning’s most enduring lever action design.

Even well used models sell at a premium, especially in the odder calibers. The plain, rather common .32 Win. Spl. carbine pictured made in 1950 with about 85 percent of that nice post-War Winchester blue finish sold for $923 at Morphy’s in 2021, while the highly finished, factory engraved .30-30 Win. rifle in 99.9 percent condition sold for $103,500 at a Rock Island Auction in 2021.

Winchester Model 1895

Top 9 Collectible Lever-Action Rifles

Winchester 1895: The Model ’95 has never been as popular with collectors. This one is the only known factory engraved carbine, and it still only fetched $22,800 in 2018. (Photo courtesy Morphy Auctions)

John Browning’s last lever-action rifle for Winchester was also one of the least successful, although it was chambered in many up-and-coming high velocity smokeless cartridges such as the .30-40 Krag and .30-06. President Theodore Roosevelt romanticized the 1895 in .405 Win. after taking it to Africa and calling it his “Big Medicine Rifle.”

Production numbers of the original (Browning/Winchester has reintroduced the rifle in modern times) are skewed by the purchase of these rifles during World War I by the Russian government purchase of 293,816 of the 426,754 total made—although the actual numbers are contested by sources.

The saddle-ring carbine version and hunting rifle in .405 are the bookends for romanticists, since the carbine seen commonly among the Arizona Rangers and Pancho Villa’s men along the  Southwestern border. But prices haven’t approached the more popular rifles. The only known factory-engraved .30-40 saddle-ring carbine, still in exquisite condition, went for $22,800 at a Morphy auction in 2018, so collector interest in these rifles keeps it on the low end.

Winchester Model 71

Top 9 Collectible Lever-Action Rifles

Winchester 71: The Model 71 was never very popular, but there is nothing quite like pre-war Winchester craftsmanship and these guns in their quirky, hard-to-find .348 Win. cartridge are often found in very nice shape for far less than the more popular models. (Photo courtesy Rock Island Auctions)

The final lever action in this little study is the Model 71 in .348 Win. Fewer than 50,000 were made of this simplified 1886 action, and they are often found in excellent condition—due mostly to lack of ammunition. They were still made when production craftsmanship was high at Winchester and are beautifully finished.

Whether these rifles will ever take off with collectors remains to be seen, and they seem to sell at reasonable prices for the quality of the manufacture. The deluxe pre-World War II Model 71 shown in very high condition sold for only $3,163 at Rock Island Auction in 2021.

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Stolen from the Daily Kona – 5 Myths About “Gun Free” Zones

In light of the Uvalde murders, I wanted to re-share an article that I wrote awhile back about the myth of gun free zones…

There’s been a lot of talk recently about “Gun Free” zones and, frankly, a lot of it has been useless blather from people who know nothing about guns and reveal more and more of their ignorance with each additional word they speak.

With that in mind, I want to share 5 “Gun Free” zone myths and responses you can use when you hear them.

Myth #1. Gun Free Zones make us safer and reduce crime. It should be obvious by now that gun free zones don’t make us safer. Any time you hear this argument, ask the person who makes it if they have “gun free zone” stickers on their cars to stop carjackings, “gun free zone” signs in their yards to stop home invasions, and wear “gun free zone” shirts and hats to stop muggings, robberies, rapes, etc.  If they balk, remind them that “Change starts with me” and that they should “Be the change you want to see.”

If “gun free” zones make us safer, suggest that they tell that to the Secret Service and the State Department’s Bureau of Diplomatic Security. I’m sure they’ll change how they protect people right away.

The fact that these signs don’t exist in large numbers is a tacit admission that gun haters and people who are ignorant about guns KNOW, at some level, that gun free zones don’t work.

Equally silly is the thought that gun free zones reduce crime…they simply change the location.

First off, someone who intends on murdering large numbers of people will commit 5 or more misdemeanors and/or felonies in the process of firing their first shot. Do you really think that someone intent on murdering innocent people cares about breaking 1 additional law? Do you really think that someone who intends on killing themselves or committing suicide by cop cares about additional penalties from a judge? Of course not.

Next, gun free zones don’t reduce crime because they change the behavior of moral and ethical people who carry guns more than the behavior of murderers.

Concealed carry permit holders tend to be law abiding citizens…both because it’s their general nature and it’s kind of a requirement to get the permit. As a result, a higher percentage of concealed carry permit holders obey gun free zone signs and laws than murdering psychopaths.

Myth #2. Highly Trained Law Enforcement Will Arrive Immediately And Save You. Law enforcement is my literal and figurative family.  They are short-changed when it comes to the training they get and what’s expected of them.  The average officer receives about as much firearms training as a dog groomer before starting work.  MANY patrol officers across the country only do their 1 day of mandatory training and qualifying per year and do zero practice with their firearms the rest of the year.  Other officers are world class shooters who regularly do extensive reality based training and are training for the fight every day.

On average in the US, it will take 11 minutes for law enforcement to arrive (assuming that someone is connected with a HUMAN 911 operator the instant that the murdering starts).  If a motivated murderer is unchallenged, they will historically shoot an average of 6-20 victims per minute.  When law enforcement arrives, you may get an officer who shoots once a year and doesn’t really like guns or you may get an officer who does dry fire before every shift and has mentally rehearsed and prepared themselves for this situation.  They have trained themselves to fight through the pain of minor gunshot wounds (like the officer in Uvalde).  They have no quit in them and will finish the fight.

It is rare that a school resource officer has both the temperament to be a school resource officer AND be able to flip the switch and pursue a lethal aggressor.  It happens and I’ve trained with one, but it’s rare.  It’s much more likely that in a school full of teachers, administrators, and support staff that there will be a frustrated warrior or two who will already have the mindset and training to solve the problem…we just need to make sure they aren’t prevented from having the tools they need.

Myth #3 Common sense laws will stop mass shootings. We have more than 20,000 gun laws on the books in the US. What’s the magic next law that will make all of the bad people stop doing bad things?

The only thing that would take care of gun crime would be to eliminate guns. By definition, a country with zero (not even 1 gun) guns would have zero gun crime.

We’ve got more than 300 million guns in the US. They’re not going away. If they’re outlawed, then the law would disproportionately affect law abiding citizens. (remember, murderers don’t care about laws or the consequences of breaking them.)

But if we look at how this has worked out in DC, Chicago, Australia, the UK, and other places with strict gun laws, we see that it doesn’t work out well for law enforcement or the general public.

It didn’t work out well for Jews in Germany in the 30s, or minorities in ANY country throughout history that has been disarmed.

Look at Austria…one recent Muslim extremist mass murderer ran his car into a crowd and then got out and started stabbing the survivors.

Look at China…in the last few years, they’ve seen almost a dozen mass school stabbings and hammer attacks, including one where the attacker beat preschoolers in the head with a hammer and then lit himself on fire. Within 24 hours of the Sandy Hook attacks, one murderer stabbed 22 children in an attack in China. In another attack, 4 Muslim extremists used knives to kill 29 civilians and injure 140 others at the Kunming railway station.

Look at Northern Ireland…when gun ownership was prohibited for certain groups, those groups became targets of violence from the groups who could still own guns. Explosives, knives, rocks, and deadly modifications to potato guns took their place to fill the role of the gun. Violence didn’t go away with gun confiscation.

When someone thinks that gun laws will solve the problem of mass shootings, they need to ask themselves what the point is, to protect innocent people or convict guilty people more harshly after they’re dead?

Additional laws only allow for harsher penalties to be enforced, after the fact, on a murdering psychopath.

If you want to protect innocent people from murdering psychopaths who are comfortable breaking laws, you need to look to another solution than more laws. A solution like the most effective way to STOP the attacker.

Myth #4. Locking doors, hiding, throwing cans, and pleading/begging are effective strategies for stopping the threat.

We live in a time where we can find out an amazing amount of detail about EVERY active shooter situation that has happened in the US in recent history. We can see where these strategies were all tried and the outcome. None of them STOP the threat. They may delay death, reduce the number of innocent deaths, change who dies, create time and space for additional attacks, or change the location of deaths, but they don’t stop the threat on their own.

Myth #5. You’re unarmed if you don’t have a gun. This mindset is absolutely toxic. Poisonous. Corrosive. Venomous. Deadly. Wrong.

Yet it’s a common line of thinking for people who have it in their mind that a gun is a magical laser beam that gives the holder supernatural 1 shot killing ability that can only be matched by another gun.

The gun is just a tool that allows the mind to exert it’s influence kinetically at a distance.

The mind is the weapon that decides whether or not to wield tools in a moral and ethical manner or in a psychopathical/sociopathical manner.

As an example, what would have happened if some of the people who kneeled/layed down would have fought the attacker after he shot his first victim? Would they have been killed trying to stop him? Maybe.

We know that at the Umpqua shooting in 2015, at the first sign of armed resistance (from police in this case), the killer ran, hid, and shot himself in the head, ending the killing. If that would have happened after he shot his first or second victim, it wouldn’t have even been considered a “mass shooting.”

I need to be clear…I’m not surprised that nobody who was lined up to get executed fought back.

One soldier, Chris Mintz, actually did fight back at Umpqua…and a lot more. He set off fire alarms, directed students away from the shooting, and then headed towards the gunfire, and attempted to block a door so the gunman couldn’t get through.

He stopped fighting when he was mechanically unable to…because he had one or both legs broken from being shot.

But nobody joined him. And it doesn’t surprise me. And I wouldn’t have expected them to act any differently than they did unless they had different training. The phrase, “you’ll perform half as well in battle as you do in training” applies. If you have zero training, then your expected performance will be that you’ll freeze, cower, or run…and running is probably the best option for someone with no training, but history tells us that the untrained are much more likely to freeze or panic than deliberately run.

When someone who has no training cowers, it’s not cowardly. It’s a reflection of a lack of training. You can’t be expected to perform beyond the level of your training…and that’s why training is SO important, like the Praxis Dynamic Gunfight Training course that goes WAY beyond static, sterile, paper-punching skills that most gun owners call “training.”

But an effective response could have been simple, like grabbing fire extinguishers and, as Clint Smith says, “spray ‘em with the white stuff and then hit them with the red thing.”  It completely baffles me that every classroom in the country doesn’t have at least 2 fire extinguishers for this purpose.  It’s relatively inexpensive, most likely donated, not threatening, and it’s something that could be implemented any day of the week.  A big crowd-control sized pepper spray can may freak out parents, but would a fire extinguisher attached to the teacher’s desk?

It could have been deploying a concealed carry firearm. We have super-stupid federal “gun free zone” legislation that should be eliminated immediately, as well as state laws regarding carry at schools, but that brings up a VERY important point that few concealed carry permit holders know.

In many cases, it is “against the rules” but not illegal to carry a concealed carry firearm in a gun free zone. In other cases, it results in being asked to leave. In other cases, it’s a simple, minor misdemeanor, like trespassing. In other cases, it’s a serious misdemeanor. In other cases, it’s a felony. We have an inconsistent, illogical patchwork of gun laws in this country and you NEED to know the laws where you live.

You could be a teacher somewhere where carrying a gun in a gun free zone on campus might be legal but against school policy and just mean a firm talking-to or it could be losing a job or a serious crime with possible jail time.

If not a fire extinguisher or a gun, then Tasers (not stun guns), knives, pepper spray, or other purpose built or improvised defensive tools combined with offensive strikes can easily change the number of innocent people who were murdered.

But, again, these things are simply TOOLs. The only weapon is the mind. And an effective tool in the hands of someone with an ineffective mind is useless. You must train the mind.

You must train the mind to see targets on the human body.

Watch any UFC fight and you’ll see trained fighters hitting each other in the head and body for 5, 10, and 15 minutes at a time. This illustrates just how ineffective most strikes—even really hard strikes from professional fighters—are at stopping a threat.

A fighter will absorb massive kick after kick after kick and keep fighting, but if their left nut gets grazed, the ref will stop the fight and give them a chance to recover.

A fighter will absorb dozens of punches to the face, but if they barely get touched with a pinky finger in the eye, the ref will stop the fight and give them a chance to recover.

Fighters will try to “knock a guy’s head off” for an entire fight with strikes you can feel from home, but any one of these strikes delivered a few inches lower, to the throat or side of the neck, would instantly knock him out or crush their opponents’ windpipe.

Targeting matters, but conditioning the mind matters too. You must train the mind to be able to switch from the loving, caring, empathetic, socialized person that you are to a cold-hearted robot with ice flowing in your veins JUST long enough to stop the threat with the minimum force necessary to preserve human life.

And the most scientific and proven way that we know of to do this is with the Fight To Your Gun training

It’s based on gross motor movements and what’s in your environment, so it’s effective on younger, faster, bigger, and stronger attackers and it’ll allow you to stop a lethal force threat at bad breath distance faster than you could with a concealed carry pistol.

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1911 Baby Machine Gun and the Baby Faced Monster: Lester Gillis by WILL DABBS

Lester Gillis, shown here alongside his mom, was a natural-born criminal.

Lester Gillis was born in December of 1908 in Chicago, Illinois. His first arrest came on Independence Day at age 12. Young Lester discovered a handgun and inadvertently shot a pal in the jaw. He served a year in reform school before being released to steal his first car at age 13. This bought the lad another 18 months in the boys’ penal facility.

Gillis married his soulmate, Helen, after meeting her in a store.

Gillis was a great many dichotomous things. He was a natural leader, a committed husband, and a doting father. He married Helen Wawrzyniak at age 20 and sired two kids he adored. By 1930, however, Gillis was making serious bank in the burgeoning field of armed robbery.

Les Gillis got started young. By his early twenties, he had stolen enough to become a wealthy man.

The press referred to his gang as the “Tape Bandits” after their propensity to truss up robbery victims with tape. On one of his first major scores, Gillis and his troops made off with $205,000 in jewelry from magazine-executive, Charles Richter. That would be more than $3 million today. After several more lucrative home invasions, Gillis robbed his first financial institution. While the $4,000 he stole was dwarfed by his previous jewel heists, Gillis found in bank robbery his true calling.

Gillis’ boyish looks earned him the moniker Baby Face Nelson.

In October of 1930, the brazen Lester Gillis robbed the wife of sitting Chicago mayor Big Bill Thompson, making off with $18,000 in jewelry. Mrs. Thompson got a good look at Gillis during the robbery and described him thusly, “He had a babyface. He was good looking, hardly more than a boy, had dark hair and was wearing a grey topcoat and a brown felt hat, turned down brim.” Though no one close to him dared use the moniker, the press and subsequently the rest of the planet came to refer to Lester Gillis by his nom de guerre–Baby Face Nelson.

Gillis was a psychopath’s psychopath who showed no hesitation to kill when the perceived need arose.

Despite his obviously sincere affection for his wife and kids, Les was an inveterate killer. During a 1933 robbery of the First National Bank of Brainerd, Minnesota, he covered the gang’s getaway by emptying his Thompson submachinegun at gawking bystanders. A year later a paint salesman named Theodore Kidder cut off Lester’s car in Chicago traffic. Gillis let his fulminant temper get the better of him and chased the terrified Kidder until he pinned his car against a curb. When the hapless salesman exited the car to de-escalate the conflict, Baby Face Nelson blew him away.

John Dillinger was the apex predator among depression-era outlaws. He and Gillis made a great team.

The specific composition of these criminal gangs ebbed and flowed based upon the vagaries of prison, territory, friendships, and untimely deaths. Soon Les found John Dillinger, and the two became tight as, well, thieves. Cross-country crime sprees can be taxing, so by April of 1934 Nelson and Dillinger were in serious need of some downtime. The two retreated to the Little Bohemia Lodge in Manitowish Waters, Wisconsin, for a little well deserved R and R. Accompanying them were Homer Van Meter, John “Red” Hamilton, Tommy Carroll, a young apprentice thug named Pat Reilly, Les’ bride Helen, and three girlfriends.

This is a photograph of the 1935 graduating class of National Police Executives, the forerunner of the FBI academy. The learning curve was steep and bloody for those early Law Enforcement pioneers.

Sadly there is only one way to gain experience, and that is frequently just not terribly graceful. While the FBI is typically a well-oiled machine these days, back in the 1930’s tactical Law Enforcement procedures were in their infancy. The result was an almost darkly comedic little slaughter.

The Little Bohemia Lodge was the site of a bloody violent exchange between G-Men and the Dillinger gang.

Emil Wanatka, the owner of the lodge, was playing cards with Dillinger and noticed his holstered sidearm as Public Enemy Number One raked in his earnings. Wanatka told his wife who told a friend who called the feds. The famed G-Man Melvin Purvis hustled over with a few FBI shooters, and they assaulted the lodge straightaway.

Eugene Boisneau was mistaken for a criminal and gunned down by Melvin Purvis’ G-men.

The Feds attacked en masse from the front just as the unsuspecting evening dinner crowd was departing following the famed Little Bohemia $1 Sunday night special. Three innocent diners, Eugene Boisneau, John Hoffman, and John Morris, were firing up their 1933 Chevrolet Coupe just as the FBI agents approached. Somebody misunderstood somebody, and the feds opened fire. Boisneau died on the spot, and his two buddies were badly wounded. Catastrophically, the gunfire also alerted the professional killers inside the lodge.

Gillis first tried to shoot his way out of the FBI ambush.

The Little Bohemia fight has been exhaustively dissected elsewhere. Suffice it to say, Hamilton, Carroll, Van Meter, and Dillinger took to the woods and escaped. True to his idiom, Lester Gillis aka Baby Face Nelson snatched up his Thompson and fearlessly charged at the G-men, exchanging fire with Purvis himself. After this initial skirmish, Gillis fled alone in the opposite direction.

Carter Baum was one of three lawmen who made the mistake of wandering into Lester Gillis while he was particularly desperate.

Several cars later Les found himself at the home of a local named Alvin Koerner along with a total of seven hostages. He quickly thinned the herd to three and was climbing into yet another vehicle when a government car carrying FBI agents Jay Newman and W. Carter Baum as well as a local constable named Carl Christensen drove up. Nelson approached the vehicle and disarmingly asked the newcomer’s identities. The G-man identified themselves, and Lester Gillis pulled a most remarkable customized weapon out from underneath his coat.

The Gun

Hyman Lebman was a San Antonio gunsmith with an eclectic clientele.

Hyman Lebman was a Texas gunsmith whose shop specialized in hard-to-find ordnance. His San Antonio establishment featured hunting guns, boots, and saddles upstairs, but he kept the truly good stuff in the basement. In the heady days before the 1934 National Firearms Act, machineguns were cash and carry. Lebman’s mechanical gifts and the creations he spawned ultimately prompted many a Chicago gangster to undertake a Texas road trip.

Lebman’s customized M1907 Winchesters were sought-after gangster tools. Homer Van Meter used one to kill patrolman Howard Wagner during a particularly violent bank robbery in South Bend, Indiana.

Lebman built customized full auto Winchester M1907 rifles. A Lebman 1907 captured from the Dillinger gang is on display at the FBI building in Washington, DC. His specialty, however, was what he called his Baby Machinegun. These full auto 1911 pistols represented the most concealable firepower mankind might conjure.

Lebman offered his converted 1911 pistols in both .45ACP and .38 Super. The end result was a serious fistful of firepower.

When Lebman was testing one of his early examples in his basement firing range the thing got away from him and stitched a row of holes through the floor above, nearly killing his young son Marvin. The final versions could be had in either .45ACP or .38 Super and included a modified Cutts compensator as well as the foregrip from a Thompson submachine gun. Extended magazines carried either eighteen or twenty-two rounds depending upon the caliber, and the little monsters cycled in excess of 1,000 rpm.

Lebman never made more than a handful of his iconic full auto 1911 pistols, but they left an indelible mark.

In 1933 Lester Gillis walked into Lebman’s shop along with his pretty wife Helen and young son Ronald using the alias Jimmy Williams. A skulking fellow gangster named Charles Fisher kept him company. An odd friendship ensued, and the mobster’s family later took dinner with that of Lebman in the gunsmith’s home. When Gillis departed San Antonio, he left with five full auto Babies in .38 Super, four unmodified 1911 pistols in .45ACP, and a brace of Thompsons. Gillis paid Lebman $300 apiece for the Tommy guns.

The Killing

Gillis’ execution killing of Carter Baum with a Lebman 1911 Baby Machinegun was the optimal application for this sinister little machine pistol.

Gillis stood in the dim light outside the agents’ government vehicle and drew one of Lebman’s .38 Super full auto 1911’s from his coat. Before the G-Men could react, he hosed down the car at more than 1,000 rounds per minute. Constable Christensen and Agent Newman were badly wounded. At a range of less than ten feet, Agent W. Carter Baum caught three of the zippy little .38-caliber rounds in the neck. The hapless government agent bled out and died in short order.

Lester Gillis hosed down the G-Men’s car so quickly they were unable to return fire.

Gillis later remarked that he had been surprised that the feds had not fired first, feeling that they had the tactical advantage. However, when Baum’s weapon was recovered it was found that he had not had time to disengage the safety on his 1911. Gillis took the FBI car and eventually successfully made his escape.

The Rest of the Story

Helen Gillis was herself considered Public Enemy Number 1 for a time and was rumored to have had a shoot to kill order issued in her name. She remained loyal to Les to the bitter end.

Helen Gillis was captured in the lodge by the FBI along with Homer Van Meter’s girlfriend Marie Comforti and Tommy Carroll’s squeeze Jean Crompton. These three women were interrogated aggressively and eventually convicted of the crime of harboring fugitives. They were paroled soon thereafter.

Gillis and his perennial associate John Paul Chase went out in a hail of bullets.

Lester Gillis inherited the title of Public Enemy Number 1 after the violent deaths of John Dillinger and Pretty Boy Floyd. On November 27, 1934, Gillis and an associate named John Paul Chase were cornered by federal agents Samuel Crowley and Herman Hollis at a turnout in Barrington, Illinois.

Lester Gillis murdered three FBI agents himself, more than any other single criminal.

Armed with what was likely a Colt Monitor BAR, Gillis killed the two G-Men. However, he caught eight buckshot in his legs and a single .45ACP bullet from a G-Man Thompson to the belly in the process.

Gillis bled out later that evening as a result of the belly wound he received from a G-Man Tommy Gun.

This heavy .45ACP round perforated his liver and pancreas before exiting out his back. Gillis died later that evening in his wife Helen’s arms. He was 25 years old.

Hyman Lebman was prosecuted by the government for providing weapons to gangsters but never served time. He operated his gunsmithing business until well into the 1970s.

Hyman Lebman had to stop his machinegun business after the passage of the 1934 NFA, but he continued working as a gunsmith in San Antonio into the 1970s. He finally closed his business after relentless pressure from the feds. His son Marvin described the gangsters to whom his dad sold his guns as “men in nice suits and hats.” Hyman Lebman died of Alzheimer’s Disease in 1990.

Lester Gillis was an archetype, a hardscrabble young criminal who gained fame and notoriety before dying young and hard.
The Lebman 1911 Baby Machinegun Gillis wielded against the three lawmen near the Little Bohemia Lodge was an optimized gangster tool.


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